Fighters of Low Repute with Horrible Records that, Implausibly, Still Feature Multiple Bright Spots

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Was glancing at Harold Edward "Hard Roc / Hit Man" Sconiers' page on BoxRec and was struck by the fact that he managed to beat not one, nor two, but three contenders:

    "The Rainman" Ray Austin 14-1
    Andre "Tombstone" Purlette 40-3
    Jameel "Big Time" McCline 40-10-3

    ...on top of which you add his biggest claim to fame, dropping Deontay "The Bronze Bomber" Wilder early in his pro career in what ultimately became a TKO4 loss. You also have a narrow split decision defeat (95-94, 94-95, 93-96) to Donovan "Razor" Ruddock near the tail end of the Canadian's first comeback in the late nineties and early aughts.

    For somebody with the 18-27-2 career mark of Sconiers the three wins above are already impressive. Imagine if the ref hadn't been so lenient in the first round with Wilder? Imagine if two judges had swung a couple of rounds his way the night he survived The Smash? That is two damn close near misses over future or former world titlists to add into the mix. Changing his record to 20-25-2 if you gave him that pair of wins would make him still a footnote - but a footnote five wins better than most of his ilk who toil in obscurity hoping for just a single victory half as good as any of those.

    I'm also reminded of @Russell's recent example of Marion Carr "Jackhammer" Wilson - who isn't a name of any great importance in the grand scheme of the sport and finished up with a 12-41-4 tally - but belied in that you find victories over Paea "Tongan Warrior" Wolfgramm, Corey "T-Rex" Sanders and Mike "The Bounty" Hunter Sr. - plus a draw with Ray Mercer and two close SD losses against Orlin "Night Train" Norris.

    Peas in a pod, IMO. You'd expect guys like Sconiers and Wilson to have, on average, 0-1 notable names in their W (or even D) column. They each defied the odds and racked up a few - and a stone's throw from several apiece. That's our crazy sport! :D
     
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  2. bolo specialist

    bolo specialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Darryl Pinckney finished his career under .500, but scored stoppage wins over Jr. Jones & an unbeaten Guty Espadas along the way.
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    Tom "The Bomb" Bethea finished his career around .500, but scored a stoppage win over reigning MW champ Benvenuti in a non-title fight & later reemerged as a LHW contender.

    Charley "Devil" Green also finished around .500, but managed to beat perennial contender Henry Henk & LHW title challenger Ray Anderson & very nearly KO'd Jose Torres.
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  3. USFBulls727

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    Robert Thomas, who was 17-57-4 (8 KOs) handed Charles "The Hatchet" Brewer his first two losses (both by decision), and drew with Eric Harding...the same Harding who eventually beat Tarver and got a shot at the undisputed LH title against Roy Jones. Thomas also handed Kronk fighter Mike Tinley his first loss, by TKO3 on cuts.
     
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  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Great examples so far, lads. :thumbsup:
     
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  5. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Freddie Pendleton (47-26-5) has wins over:

    Roger Mayweather
    Jorge Paez
    Livingstone Bramble
    Tony Lopez
     
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  6. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    See, with guys like Pendleton and Saoul Mamby, at least they made their mark as world titlists - so there's a reason for a non-hardcore that didn't live through their eras to have come across their name. With the likes of Wilson and Sconiers, it's a case of "you had to be there", where both appear at first blush to be part of the nameless faceless collective of the undistinguished - but who just happen to have scored a plurality of quality upsets.

    I'd argue that even Andrew "Fireman Jim Flynn" Chiariglione isn't sufficiently obscure for our purposes here, as he was a multi time world title challenger before the knockout over Dempsey.
     
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  7. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Delfino Rosales - anyone hear of him? Really doubt anyone did but there are a lot of questions on this guy:

    -According to boxrec his final record was 19-15-1 with 6 KOs to his credit
    -Clearly has an incomplete record unless one believes he turned pro against a fighter with a record of 31-15 in a 10-rounder
    -Had a win some-lose some type record until he hit a patch where he won 5 straight including wins over contenders Juan Ramirez and Eloy Sanchez which got him a shot at world featherweight champ Vicente Saldivar
    -But wait, even though Saldivar was champ and they both weighed in under the featherweight limit, the only thing at stake is the Mexican featherweight title. How is that even possible?
    -Despite not being much of a banger (according to his record) he decked Saldivar in the 1st round before succumbing in the 11th
    -Lost 3 out of his next 4, including a first round KO to Sugar Ramos, and then turns around and knocks out top contender Dwight Hawkins in 9.
    -He then loses 3 straight before knocking out top lightweight contender Arturo Lomeli in 5
    -He's knocked out in his next fight and then promptly retires

    So what was his real record? Why wasn't the Saldivar fight for the world crown? Where did he find the unrealized power to take out top fighters like Hawkins and Lomeli? And why, after hitting the high mark with the win over Lomeli, did he retire after a loss to a good fighter, especially when he had lost to ham and eggers in the past while carrying on?
     
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  8. Seamus

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    Great find. Sometimes these records ask more questions than they answer.
     
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  9. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The answer is probably the answer to your question -- "what was his real record". I mean, if his pro debut really was a 10 round fight against a fighter with a record of 31-15, that's hilarious. Who does that?
     
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  10. USFBulls727

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    This thread has me wondering if any sub .500 fighter has ever managed to snag a belt...lineal, WBC, WBA, WBO, IBF...or even challenged for one? Pendleton & David Vedder are about as close to .500 as I can think of, but neither was below...
     
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  11. bolo specialist

    bolo specialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Loma was .500 (1-1) when he won his 1st major title.
     
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  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    That's actually extremely funny if somebody as skillful as Lomachenko winds up having the lowest winning percentage of anybody when they became world champ. :lol:
     
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  13. Saintpat

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    Louis Monaco went 16-39-5 and beat Michael Dokes and Kevin McBride (19-0-1 at the time) back to back. Also Peter McNeeley, for what that’s worth.

    Lost to Butterbean and a bunch of contenders/prospects. Also beat Shane Sutcliffe, but it was past Shane’s days as a rising prospect.
     
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  14. Mastrangelo

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    Philippino Jerry Pahayahay has some impressive "scalps" for a fighter with 44-55-4 record.
    - He went 2-1 against Pongsaklek Wonjongkam, beating him at 7-0 and then 9-1.
    - He beat 11-0 Joma Gamboa, future World Title Holder
    - He has a draw against 35-1 Chana Porpaoin, who just lost his world title fight prior.

    He also beat couple former and future world title challangers:
    - Bert Batawang twice, at 8-3-3 and 9-4-3.
    - Noel Tunacao, then 24-2-1.
    - 12-7-1 Sang Chul Lee.

    After starting his career 7-0, Pahayahay never won more than 5 fights in a row after that, so it's not like He had any great streaks.
    He did fight for a title once, at minimumweight, against Ratanapol Sor Vorapin and was stopped in 3 rounds - Ratanapol fought some completely unqualified opponent for his IBF title at the time (Even one debutant if You believe boxrec), so I'm not sure what that means.
     
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  15. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    How about 13-13 Fel Clemente?
     
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