Fighters of the Past vs. Modern Fighters (Weigh-In Procedures)

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Thread Stealer, Oct 17, 2007.


  1. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    The more I think about it, the more I give more modern fighters better chances at beating fighters of the past simply due to the rule changes.

    You've got more and more fighters putting on a lot of weight in the 32 or so hours after a weigh-in.

    Skills can overcome size, but what if the abilities are pretty close? And what if the styles make the size/strength vital?

    I was thinking about Gerald McClellan. Personally I think the guy has become overrated due to the tragic situation, but he was indeed a good, tough, hard-hitting fighter.

    While he's far from a MW great, how would he do against some of the great MWs of the past? Mythical matchups between him and some of the great MWs would be a friggin middleweight versus a light heavyweight in the ring. Or maybe the old-time fighters would put on some weight, but as much.

    I was also thinking about a mythical matchup between J.L. Castillo and Ray Mancini. Two good, not great, tough fighters who like to mix it up.

    Then I thought about it, and Castillo would weigh in unofficially as a welter (or above) during 130/135 lb. fights.
     
  2. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    If a fighter is draining ten pounds or more from his system then it is detrimental. If he has less than nine pounds, the weight is not THAT significant. It is a case by case thing. However Floyd Mayweather shows that weight means little if you are a talented and skilled fighter. You are also forgetting that old school fighters used to add quite a bit of weight as well. An example of this is heavyweights who'll put on about 5 pounds even though they don't dry out.
     
  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    To be honest this is nothing new.

    Back in the day fighters would often sweat themselves down in a sauna and purge themselves before a fight or even shovel coal for hours in a boiler room while wearing oilskins.

    They just didnt get to put the meight back on.

    Some fighters chose to drag themselves bellow their natural weight using such methods and some did not. I think that Jake LaMotta to give one example would give up little or nothing in size to McClellan
     
  4. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Even in old times there were all the time fights between managers for the time when the weigh-in takes place, one of the most popular was 3PM which left several hours to regain some weight, and in fight reports it can be read pretty often, how the difference in weight between fighters looked significantly larger than was the case at the weigh-in, ie when one fighter trimmed down a lot of weight and put most of it back on, while the other trimmed little fighting near his natural weight.
     
  5. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    But how much weight can you put on in 6-8 hours as opposed to 32?

    I know guys would put on weight back then, but they had less time to do it.

    Nowadays it's common for a welterweight to enter the ring at or even above the middleweight limit for a fight.
     
  6. janitor

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    Back in the day you could get one fighter who employed these methods fighting one who didnt.

    For example Robinson Lamotta was esentialy a welterweight fighting a light heavyweight in todays money.