Fighters That Aren't ATG s (In your Opinion)?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Ok the term is subjective and lot of the time, ones own personal opinion

    So, fighters that have being classed ATG s, but in your good opinion, aren't?
     
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    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It depends on your interpretation of ATG.

    To get the discussion started, I'll postulate that top 12 in one of the original 8 weight divisions and/or top 100 p4p all time = ATG.

    Using that criteria, the first fighter that springs to mind as a consesnus ATG by others, that using the above criteria I wouldn't consider as such, is Jake LaMotta.
     
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    Ismael Laguna
    Ken Norton
    Gene Fullmer
    Paul Pender

    Several hundred more I'm very sparing with the term great to begin with.
     
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    Gennady Golovkin although he hasn't finished his career yet.
     
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    Ken Norton is a fine pic for this. Nothing against him great competitor and warrior but often rated to highly for me.
     
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    That's the thing Really, it' can boil down to personal choice, so the interpretation is really entirely up to you.
    That criteria is fine.
    I've seen Jake called by a couple of people, an ATG.
    Me personally, no I don't believe he is, he beat one, but like Norton it doesn't make him one.
     
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    thistle Boxing Junkie

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    for me there are many, in the sense - they are great fighters, therefore Alltime Greats AMONG Boxing History...

    BUT - ELITE(s) stand alone fighters, well they are obviously fewer, i.e SRR and so on... but Greats/ATG's there are Hundreds & Hundreds of them.
     
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    De La Hoya probably
     
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    Too me, an ATG is a hall of famer. A few guys made it in that I think are not quite ATG's even though I like them a lot.

    Gatti
    Mancini
    Fullmer
    Norton
    And soon to be Hall of famer Carl Froch.

    All very good fighters just not ATG's.
     
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    Yeah, theres definitely a distinction between fame and greatness. Ken Norton will be substantially more well known globally than Packey McFarland, yet McFarland is the greater by a considerable margin, for example.
     
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    Lomachenko
     
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    Not even greats,imo
     
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    I'd say Meldrick Taylor. Haven't really had a win over a great fighter in his career.
     
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    These Eastern European fighters are difficult to judge as they usually enter the pro game at an older age and with a fair bit of mileage on the clock.

    On one hand that resume gives them a head start and they can get thrown straight in to the deep end but on the other hand it limits their longevity and records.
     
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