Fighters that Bernard "The Executioner" Hopkins have "ruined"?

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  1. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think we can agree on the following:

    Kelly "The Ghost" Pavlik
    Ronald "Winky" Wright
    Antontio "Magic Man" Tarver
    Jermain "Bad Intentions" Taylor
    Felix "Tito" Trinidad


    How about:

    Glen "The Road Warrior" Johnson?
    I know it was a while back and Johnson was unproven but he was 32-0 at the time. And after the fight, he went something like 4-5 in his next 9 fights. But is that more due to his step up in competition?

    Joe Lipsey?
    I know he wasn't anyone special but the guy was undefeated and after being brutally KOed by Hopkins, he retired.


    Am i missing anyone else? My knowledge of Hopkins' early career is not that great so feel free to add in anyone i missed.
     
  2. getup

    getup Say Yeah! Full Member

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    joe lipsey brutal!
     
  3. Fedor Em

    Fedor Em Enforcement, VRWC style Full Member

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    He ruined Mercado in their 2nd fight.
     
  4. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thanks. That's why i'm asking the old time vets on this board.

    And i think "ruin" is an understatement.

    After winning his next fight via decision, he had 8 fights to finish his career and his record was 0-7-1. All 7 losses by KO and one D. Wow.
     
  5. Thread Stealer

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    Wright wasn't ruined by Hopkins. Wright just has been inactive, he has no sense of his box office value.

    Neither was Taylor. Taylor just stepped up the opposition, so of course he was gonna struggle more in the ring. He never meshed well with Steward, and eventually he faced a pretty big puncher in Pavlik and got KO'd.

    Trinidad, now that's someone who never recovered mentally IMO from what Hopkins did to him. He fought once more and retired, and hasn't seemed sure if he wants to fight or not. Moreover, he seemed to go thru the motions against Wright and accept that he'd lose. Against Hopkins, he tried his hardest but got taken out. Hopkins took some of Trinidad's heart for boxing in their fight.

    Pavilk, we just have to wait and see. How you can say Pavlik is ruined just two days later is beyond me.

    Mercado can qualify. So can Lipsey, he never fought again.

    You can also argue Joppy. After Trinidad destroyed him, he still was a top contender and looked alright against Eastman, (another top middleweight contender). After Hopkins beat the hell out of Joppy, Joppy looked like a shot fighter after that.
     
  6. Fedor Em

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    He was never the same thats for sure.

    Glen Johnson was not ruined though. That was more of a setback, plus he got robbed plenty when he moved up in weight.

    The verdict is still out on Pavlik as well.
     
  7. WhataRock

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    Johnson developed into a clearly better fighter.

    Add Echols to that list..He was an animal before Nard got to him.
     
  8. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As for Winky, i don't think he "ruined" him in the way it's normally meant. What i meant to say is that his relevance in the sport has disappeared since fighting Hopkins. Maybe it had to do with him outpricing himself and nothing more but he was riding HIGH before fighting Hopkins. A P4P elite. Great wins over some great fighters. Hadn't lost since 1999 and that was controversial loss to Vargas.

    As for Taylor, he was also riding high coming in. A guy who many thought would be the next big star at MW. Hopkins made him look amatuerish and took some of his soul IMO.
     
  9. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    OK, i now realize what a dumb idea it was to add Glen Johnson to the list. What was i thinking? He went on to do great things. :nut
     
  10. Thread Stealer

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    Taylor did better than I expected. I thought Hopkins would beat him handily and school him on the inside (Taylor just held and Hopkins wasn't able to do much damage to him).

    After their two fights, Hopkins dominated Tarver in June 2006 around the same time that Wright and Taylor drew. That made Taylor's close fights with Hopkins look better for Taylor, but his performances after that are really what caused Taylor's downfall in the public eye. The fight with Ouma, the stinker with Spinks, and the losses to Pavlik.
     
  11. Russell

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    Yeah, having someone whomp the **** out of you with one arm like that must of been debilitating.

    Mercado was actually touted as one of the next big things, his first fight with Hopkin's seemed to cement it. But then they fought again without the high atmosphere bothering Hopkin's and that was that.
     
  12. TheH1tMan

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    Ridiculous thread. Hopkins hasn't ruined anyone. Good fighters don't get ruined by other fighters. Poor fighters get exposed, but good fighters don't get ruined. Ruined is just dumb fans' way to justify why their overhyped idol lost and doens't shine like he did before their bubble was burst. He just never was that good (or he is getting old in a few instances). But there is no 'ruined'.
     
  13. RightCross

    RightCross Grandmaster of Boxing Full Member

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    Joe Lipsey hit lke a gd mack truck..I know this first hand.
     
  14. kadyo

    kadyo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Oscar De La Hoya?
     
  15. Loewe

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    Kelly "The Ghost" Pavlik - We don“t know yet.
    Ronald "Winky" Wright - It does seem so.
    Antontio "Magic Man" Tarver - Nah, Tarver is still as good as before.
    Jermain "Bad Intentions" Taylor - Yep, Taylor never looked the same after Hopkins.
    Felix "Tito" Trinidad - Well, Trinidad still looked good against guys like Mayorge but not against top opposition.
    Glen "The Road Warrior" Johnson - Hopkins derailed his career for a while.
    Joe Lipsey - He was thought of beeing the next Hagler at his time, after Hopkins he quit boxing. 'nuff said.
    Segundo Mercado - After his bouts with Hopkins he went from world class to journeyman.
    Howard Eastman - Lost to Miranda on points after Hopkins despite beeing the clearly better fighter.
    William Joppy - What was his career after Hopkins?