Fighters That Use Selective Catch Weighting

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  1. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Fighters That Use Selective Catch Weighting

    A Selective Catch Weight is when a particular opponent cherry picks certain fighters from a particular division and fights them at different weights. It only applies to fights that have occurred. Were they drained? That’s another discussion entirely.

    Here are my (popular) examples. Can you name some? Agree? Disagree? It's open season.

    On my list

    Floyd Mayweather JR (everyone’s favorite target)
    Why he's on the list: His fight with Canelo Alvarez at 152 lbs for the JR Middleweight title. It’s a “selective catchweight” because he had no problems fighting Oscar and Cotto at 154 and was hypocritical about it.
    Justifiable?: Not for me. I believe he would’ve fought Canelo at 154, but that’s irrelevant because he didn’t. I believe he knew he could take advantage of Canelo; that Canelo would accept because he was chasing fame and glory.

    Manny Pacquiao
    Why he's on the list: He fought Oscar Dela Hoya at 147, then later fought Cotto at 145. Oscar is bigger than Cotto, no need to drain Cotto too.
    Justifiable?: Depends on who you ask, but not for me. Most will make the argument that he was moving up in weight, I call BS, my reason stated above. The Oscar and Cotto fights are proof, IMO, that the weights were not there to compensate for Pac’s small frame, but to handicap his opponent just enough.

    Miguel Cotto
    Why he's on the list: Fought Geale at 157 and Sergio Martinez at 159 for the middleweight title.
    Justifiable?: No. Again, the different weights is just proof that it’s not Cotto’s weight they were concerned with, but his opponents.

    Close, but No Cigar…

    Canelo Alvarez
    Why he's NOT on the list: Despite his BS catch weights, he’s fighting consistently at the same weight, the list is for inconsistent catch weights. Doesn’t matter if it’s Amir Khan or Gennedy Golovkin, it’s at 155.
    Justifiable?: Hell no. He’s the new catch weight king.

    Gennedy Golovkin
    Why he's NOT on the list: Despite his attempt for a Selective Catch Weight, he didn’t actually do it. Froch at 168, Ward at 164, had those fights occurred at those limits, he’d be on the list.
    Justifiable?: No, if you claim it was about money or a PPV fight, it’s still an attempted cherry pick, no matter how you slice it. I don’t think he deserves much criticism because it didn’t actually occur.
     
  2. theanatolian

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    Good thread. The most recent example was Rigondeaux, obviously. A similar situation to GGG, he needed either a catchweight or a rehydration clause to fight Lomachenko but now he's fine with the idea of fighting Santa Cruz @126. Both GGG and Rigo are the two boogie men of the sport right now but they just couldn't take the fight where they'd be the underdogs without compromises.
     
  3. shadow111

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    It’s justifiable due to Canelo's inability to be granted a title fight at 154 for 2+ years with Floyd holding the belts and getting a 147-lb title fight to also count as a 154-lb title defense which is unheard of and against the commissions own rules. It’s justifiable because Floyd did not want to rematch Canelo and the commission did not strip Floyd of his 154-lb title after 1 year of inactivity at 154. This prevented Canelo from having an opportunity to re-capture his title at 154-lb, which resulted in him moving up to fight Cotto at MW instead of staying at 154 where he was comfortable at.

    Another reason why it’s justifiable is because we know that Khan wouldn’t have agreed to fight Canelo had the fight been at 160. Khan only agreed to fight Canelo had it been at 155 lb. From Canelo’s perspective, the catchweight vs Khan not only is justifiable, but it benefits Khan. Thus far, Canelo has never needed or demanded a catchweight. Thus far, Canelo has never drained a fighter or attempted to weaken a fighter. Floyd, Cotto, and Pac are all guilty of this type of stuff, and that’s where the problem is. Geale was unhealthy when he fought Cotto and that was wrong of Cotto not to fight a true MW like Geale at 160. What Canelo is doing fighting Khan at 155-lb isn’t like that. Khan is coming up so that isn’t a problem. Canelo is bringing excitement to boxing, he’s making fights vs guys like Khan that Floyd is too scared to fight. He ain't draining nobody. Nothing Canelo has done or is doing at MW is as bad as what Floyd, Pac, and Cotto did draining fighters.
     
  4. boxing_master

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    What a **** thread completely pointless.

    The op is beating around the bush what a ****ing re****
     
  5. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The OP is on target and it’s a great thread, I just was explaining that what Canelo is doing is in fact justifiable.
     
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    The OP is a re**** i don't know if you seen his threads they are one of the worst threads on here he is plain boring has no substance.:yep
     
  7. Doc Everlast

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    Canelo is by far the worst because he is clearly gaining a huge weight advantage to make up for his lack of boxing IQ. He lets guys who are JMW weigh in at 155 while he walks into the ring at 175+ on fight night whilst his JMW opponent weighs only 160.:deal
     
  8. shadow111

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    You are referring to Canelo’s natural advantages. How’s any of that worse than draining a fighter / making a fighter unhealthy?
     
  9. Pac a G

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    What about Roidquez? He fought Pac and Tim at 147, but fought Alvarado at 144.
     
  10. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Thanks! I try to do something insightful or thought provoking and less troll-y around here. :good

    Good one! I forgot about that. I like Rigo but that really irked me.
     
  11. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Interesting standpoint, but I still think Canelo should be fighting at 154, title or not.
     
  12. boxing_master

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    You are a re**** with no substance plain old alex:lol::lol:
     
  13. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Why are you here? :think Oh yea! I hurt your punk ass feelings earlier. Don't you have some Nickelodeon to watch?

    I disagree. For one, Canelo doesn't come in above 175 and when he was at 154, the other JMW's were also weighing in at 170+.

    With a name like "Pac a G", I'd refrain from calling Marquez "Roidquez", you just look salty. Wasn't Alvarado moving up from 140? Pac and Bradley were already 147 lbs fighters.
     
  14. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    :lol:

    I'll try to dumb it down for you next time, something more akin to your Disney films.
     
  15. boxing_master

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    You will always be my ***** alex

    How many times have i destroyed you in the past?:yep