Fighters that were involved or managed by the MOB

Jake LaMotta testified that he threw a fight for the mob. Only got a title shot because of his mob ties.

 

Everybody was linked to the mob in Graziano's day.

It would be hard to find an elite fighter from that era, that was not linked to organized crime in some way.

The sad thing is, that boxing actually had more integrity, when the mob ran it!

 

Lamotta was rated;
No 6 in 42
No1 in 43
No2 in 44
No 3 in 45
No1 in 46
No 5 in47
Won the title in48.
Lamotta got a title shot because he went into the tank against Fox in November 47 and he still had to wait till June 49 for his shot ,and he had to pay, via his brother Joey a ton of money to get it.
Lamotta refused to do business with the mob until finally, in desperation he agreed to take a dive to get the shot he had earned 5 years earlier!
Zale wanted no part of him,nor did Graziano.
Lets not have any revisionist BS implying he didn't deserve his shot , that it wasn't long overdue,or that he was mob connected ,apart from one instance.

 

We are all allowed our own takes.

Jake did business with the mob. He threw a fight for them. He gave them money.

In my book, no fighter who throws a fight for organized crime should ever get a title shot. I don’t care about the rest of his resume. He also covered it up when he did it, claiming injury — it was only later that he claimed in testimony (and later still in his autobiography) that he did it for the mob.

I don’t think we all have to be beholden to the idea that a guy doing something for the mob should be rewarded. If he hadn’t thrown a fight, yes, he surely deserved a title shot. But being that he did, I don’t hold with your opinion — too bad he didn’t have the integrity to stand up for what was right.

BTW, did every single fighter who fought for the title in those days have to throw fights for the mob? Did Robinson throw the second LaMotta fight, for instance? Did all the other champs and challengers have mob ties and Jake was the lone saint, lol?

I’ll wait here while the Saint Jake LaMotta Defense Fund gathers to come after me with pitchforks for stating absolute facts about him.

 

It’s funny, I was reading some old stories on Jerry Quarry and came across this passing reference to Liston:

It said Liston told the California Athletic Commission, “I never accepted any advice from Blinky Palermo,” followed by this gem of a line:

“Blinky is now athletic director in a large iron-barred building in Lewisburg, Pa.”

 

Robinson carried fighters for the mob.The second Robinson fight was a non title one.
If Lamotta was mob connected ,why did it take him so long to get a title shot?
You' ll be waiting a long time,just carry on your hate crusade on your own.
And on your own you most assuredly are.

 

Somebody has a slight obsession with running down LaMotta. Comical how a guy who was self managed and self trained and when he went into managing and promoting had his two promotional venues and his fighters stolen by the mob and later testified against them before congress yet he was “mob connected”…. Talk about victim blaming. You might as well say Ray Arcel was mob connected because they hit him over the head with a lead pipe. I mean after all, they wanted him to stop televising competing fights and he did after that so he was “connected” right??? Jesus…

 

I think what is being said here, is he gave into them to play, "look Jake, no play, no title..."

not controlled as in all of his career, but controlled indeed,

'if' you must succumb to them in order to play - they held all the cards, they controlled the stakes, they ran the racket, so "you know what is required of you Jake, if you want that title!"

what is wrong with stating that Jake did that, he gave in, he Played.

in fact wasn't this also portrait in the Movie, as well as the Papers, the News and the Hearings... I don't understand the dispute.

 

How’s Kinahan on a wanted list out of curiosity?

He’s located in Dubai yeah? Clearly he’s not got an outstanding warrant unless the Arab Emirates doesn’t have an extradition treaty with Great Britain?

But he’s an absolute gangster and stain on the sport, I agree with that.

 

If they hit Jake over the head with a lead pipe, the pipe would break.

I didn’t say he was connected with the mob from birth, just that he did business with them and threw a fight for them. Yeah and later he practically gave them stuff for free. Hmmm. Kind of thing someone who had outstanding debts might do, or a restaurant owner who cut the mob in on his business only to have them muscle him out … in such a case the restaurant owner was still mobbed up.

What thing have I stated that wasn’t fact? Did Jake throw a fight for the mob or did he not? Did Jake do business with the mob to get a title shot or did he not? These things are not in dispute … even by you.

As for testifying against them, does that mean Sammy “The Bull” Gravano wasn’t in with the mob since he testified against them, lol?

Hell, at least Sammy did it in court to get mobsters thrown in jail. Jake never did that. Wonder why.

I ask again, did every single title challenger of the day (successful or not) throw fights for the mob because that was the only way to get a title shot? Seems odd that only Jake would hae to do it. What about Jake’s title challengers? Surely if the mob controlled boxing nobody got a shot at Jake without doing the mob ‘a favor.’ Maybe Dauthuille agreed to tank in the last round lest he accidentally won the title when he wasn’t supposed to? Didn’t want to sleep with the fishes?

Jake’s connection to crime, of course, goes deeper than his dealings for a title shot. He also did time for pimping out a 13-year-old girl. Human trafficking. What a hero you got there. Maybe Jake got some tips from his mob money on how to prostitute little girls?

 

You just said Ray did business with the mob. Took him 75 fights to get a title shot.

Did every fighter who got a title shot throw fights for the mob or not? Why just Jake?

Point out any facts I have in error: 1) Jake did business with the mob. 2) Jake threw a fight for the mob. 3) Jake got a title shot for doing so. 4) Jake also handed the mob money ($20K) to get a title shot … that’s a transaction, which is also known as ‘doing business.’

If you think that’s honorable, good for you. If you think that’s not doing business, I have no idea what to say.

 

https://www.state.gov/daniel-joseph-kinahan/

For more information please see Department of State Offers Reward for Information to Bring Three Irish Transnational Criminals to Justice – United States Department of State

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NAME: Daniel Joseph Kinahan
ALIASES: “Daniel Joseph,” “Chess,” “D,” “Cuz”
DOB: June 25, 1977
POB: Dublin, Ireland
NATIONALITY: Irish
CITIZENSHIP: Irish

The Kinahan Transnational Criminal Organization (KTCO) was established in Dublin, Ireland, by Christopher Vincent Kinahan in the 1990’s. Through time, Christopher Vincent incorporated his two sons, Daniel Joseph and Christopher, Jr., into his criminal organization. After becoming Ireland’s most powerful organized crime group, the KTCO quickly transcended international boundaries. The KTCO originally distributed South American cocaine and heroin in Ireland, and later to the United Kingdom and throughout mainland Europe. In addition to narcotics trafficking, the Kinahans have engaged in money laundering, firearms trafficking, and murder.

The KTCO gained notoriety in 2016 when a feud with the rival Hutch drug trafficking gang – also from the inner city of Dublin – led to a shooting attack at a Dublin hotel. The brazen daytime attack targeted Daniel Kinahan during a weigh-in for an MTK Global (formerly MGM) boxing match and shocked the Irish public. Although Daniel escaped unharmed, the subsequent and ongoing feud has resulted in 18 homicides, encompassing nearly all members or relatives and associates of the Hutch gang. The subsequent police response to the gang violence in Ireland led to gang member arrests and caused the KTCO leadership to shift their transnational organized crime operations to the United Kingdom, Spain, and the United Arab Emirates (UAE). Law enforcement intelligence reports that Daniel Kinahan currently directs his most senior TCO members based in Dubai to carry out significant drug smuggling ventures and oversee money laundering operations which have been comingled through various legitimate commercial businesses.

The U.S. Department of State, through the Transnational Organized Crime Rewards Program (TOCRP), offered a REWARD OF UP TO $5 MILLION for information leading to the arrest and/or conviction of Daniel Kinahan for participating in transnational organized crime, namely narcotics trafficking and money laundering. In addition, there is also a reward for information leading to the disruption of financial mechanisms of a transnational organized crime group – the KTCO.

 

Yep I was aware of that but why can’t he be just arrested?
We all know what he is and what they do but for some reason he just doesn’t get called to account.
I’m surprised you’re such a Fury fan in light of this tbh.

 

Tyson Fury with Daniel Kinahan in Dubai in 2022.

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