Oh please. Bruno was seen as something of a national joke in the UK, while he was actually fighting. A heroic British failure. When he won the WBC title, people were happy for him that he had something to show for his career. Now we have this revisionist idea that he was some head to head monster, and it isn't even British people who are promoting it!
Which is why I said “arbitrary.” Not sure why you’re comparing power to overall punching ability now. First you’re saying Golovkin doesn’t hit hard as advertised, but now you’re changing the argument to “Well power and delivery are two different things.” Are you now saying that Golovkin isn’t the great at delivering his power with proper technique? You seem to have dug yourself in a hole, with glib theories being the catalyst.
There's being more than one exception besides Lewis. You can argue that both Klitschko brothers are ATG's in or around the top 10 and the likes of Bowe, Fury, Joshua,Tucker and Douglas, while not ATG's are good enough to show that very large heavyweights are still good enough to compete with anyone.
I don't think Bruno was seen as a national joke by the British people when he was fighting. Maybe by the rest of the world but I think the British genuinely thought that he was going to win the title against Witherspoon and even against Tyson in 89, they thought he really had a punchers chance against a Tyson that was considered just about unbeatable at the time.
If we could bring Ali back and the only version we could use is the Ali who was 201lb on the morning of the fight in 1966 when he defended his title against Cooper do you think Ali would be allowed to challengie Joshua as he was that night? Don’t you think a commission would ask that he just skip for 30 mins to make 200lb and fight a cruiserweight? Maybe with a 24 hour weigh in he might fight at 176?
Did I say he was a head to head monster or that he had a good chance of sparking out lil Rock early? The two aren't the same in my mind.
We all hoped he would win. Just like we all hoped we would win the football World Cup...There’s never been genuine thoughts of real success among us british. It either happens or it dosnt. We were bombed by the Germans.
Ali would be allowed to challenge for the title at 201lbs. Of course, he could just wear some clothes and be heavier. Or have an additional meal and be heavier. Or change the way he trained a tiny bit to be heavier. Just what is it that you are trying to do here? Are you actually trying to support your position that Ali would be a cruiserweight if he was fighting now?
In going to take a nap. Wake me up when the next light, slow, short, crouching heavyweight with trex reach storms the division.
No I’m not trying to support anything. Im just acknowledging that Ali In the ring his weight was a closer reflection to the ring weight of today’s cruisers than Anthony Joshua and the rest of the jumbo club in the Leroy Jones division.
The British hoped that he would beat Witherspoon, but knew that he was a sacrificial lamb against Tyson. When Spitting Image published their Christmas annual, they had a kit of Frank Bruno, for the reader to reasembel, after his previous opponent had dismantled him. After he won the WBC title, he actually said on the news, there were many people who thought that I could never win a title. After Danny Williams got battered by Klitschko, his manager told him to retire. His reply was "People were saying for years that Frank Bruno would never win anything, then eventually he did." That is how he was seen at the time.