Fighters the Mayweathers must have never heard of

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  1. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So, something I've been thinking about for a long time are the lines that originate from the Mayweathers that Floyd fans repeat on here ad nauseum regarding why Pacquiao must be on PEDs. Aside from "Take the test, take the test, take the test!" those lines are

    "Nobody starts out ordinary and becomes extraordinary"

    and

    "That's too much of a jump in weight, no one should be able to go up that far in weight and KO guys like Manny is knocking them out" (never mind that the only dramatic KO Manny has since moving up to 135 is Hatton, everyone else has been stopped by accumulation, a mercy stoppage, or gone the distance)

    Now, either the Mayweathers must have never heard about a lot of fighters, or they must be saying that a bunch of fighters must have been on PEDs. Lets take a look.

    Alexis Arguello

    Lost 2 of his first 5 fights, one by KO. Went on to become an ATG with a record of 77-8. Obviously must have gotten some good PEDs along the way. I guess he was cycling off them when Ernesto Marcel beat him in the 70s, and those other bouts he sometimes dropped during his prime.

    Hank Armstrong

    Okay, a guy who lost 3 of his first 4 bouts and gets KOd at 120 is going to go on to be a top rated ATG and, within less than two years, win the belts at Featherweight, Lightweight, and Welterweight? And then go on to fight the Middleweight champ to a draw? Must have been PEDs.

    Ezzard Charles

    Picked up a number of losses and draws around his 20th fight, was knocked down 7 times in one of his losses at light heavyweight and 8 times in a fight at 168, goes on to win the Heavyweight title and KO guys weighing in as high as 260 pounds. PEDs strike again!

    Jack Dempsey

    Suffered a number of early defeats and draws, including one where he was KOd 10 seconds into the fight. The way he beat the **** out of Willard must have been signs of roid rage.

    Emile Griffith

    Loses his 14th fight to a guy who would retire with a .500 record and drops another decision just a couple of fights later goes on to be Welterweight, Jr. Middle and Middleweight champion? Must have been PEDs.

    Billy Conn

    A guy who started his career 8-7 at Lightweight and Welterweight then go on to be Lightheavyweight champion and nearly beat one of the greatest Heavyweight champions of all time?!! Yeah right, no one could do that.

    Jersey Joe Walcott

    A guy who starts at Middleweight and suffers losses in his 7th and 12th fights goes on to be heavyweight champion? Can't happen. No one who starts off that bad can do anything like that.

    Bernard Hopkins

    A guy losing his first fight to another guy making his debut is going to go on to rule the Middleweight division for a decade and still be a force at 46? Must be PEDs!

    Julio Cesar Chavez

    I mean, a guy who starts off at 116 and has guys with losing records going the distance with him, but is later knocking out guys at junior middle in 2 rounds? Definitely roids. I mean, just look at the size of the dude's head!

    Roberto Duran

    Duran started his career at 120, and won titles all the way up to Middleweight. He won the Middleweight title knocked down Iran Barkley who went on to KO heavyweights. A former 120 pounder taking shots from a guy who knocked out heavyweight and hurting that other fighter? Roberto must have been a steroid popper. The physique gives it away.

    So really, the Mayweathers either are ignoring all this history in leveling their accusations against Pacquiao, or they just don't know **** about boxing history!
     
  2. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Duran's KO rate plummeted as he moved up in weight. Just saying. Finished around 50% after having an 80+% rate as a lightweight.
     
  3. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Excellent thread ..There was a quote in the classic section not sure who said it but it went along the lines of ,There has to be something wrong if you don't have a loss on your record ..Every legend has had a loss ..Every Legend !!
     
  4. MattMattMatt

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    Very good post.

    Victor879, refuting an insignificant part of the initial post doesn't really say much at all...
     
  5. neemo2357

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  6. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I did not criticize his post. I was just pointing out that Duran did see his KO rate drop significantly as he moved up in weight.

    I just didn't think he made the best example.
     
  7. neemo2357

    neemo2357 Active Member Full Member

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    I think Pacquiao'sKO Rate has done the same
     
  8. wooootles

    wooootles Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hey man, Hops didn't take da test. He on powerpellets.
     
  9. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Forgive me, but I didn't say anything about Manny. :huh

    But I agree the statements about Manny carrying his power up in weight has been exaggerated. Accumulation of damage more than 1 punch KO power at welterweight, although he can certainly crack.
     
  10. prelude

    prelude Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What PAC is doing at welterweight is like Floyd knocking out heavyweight :lol:.
     
  11. Leonit

    Leonit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    the funniest part is that probably a lot of those boxers were actually on peds given the fact that they were very few controls. I don't know why people believe that boxing is one of the cleanest sports when all the other athletes are charging like crazy
     
  12. HAYEDAJOKE

    HAYEDAJOKE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    great thread man. facts are facts.
     
  13. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Maybe some were, but you're going to have to educate me about steroids in the 1910s and 1930s. Were they using EPO all the way back then? Or was HGH Armstrong's drug of choice?
     
  14. RJJFan

    RJJFan Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    They had A side meff back then.

    -*****s
     
  15. HAYEDAJOKE

    HAYEDAJOKE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    no they werent