Fighters throughout history who's boxing skills are underrated

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  1. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Well perhaps we'll apply some common sense and use examples of fighters who have MASSIVE aspects of their game overlooked. There's a big difference between not realising that a guy can feint quite well and not realising that a guy has a defence, or between not realising that a guy goes to the body occasionally and not realising that a guy can actually box. Basically, there are good responses to this thread and there are bad responses. Chavez and Hagler are good responses with BIG assets that get ignored. Duran would be a good response if you focused on his defence rather than his feinting ability. With respect, Robinson is probably a bad response.

    The two examples I picked out above were deliberately chosen, by the way. I only thought about it for 5 seconds, but I think Mayweather's and Holyfield's styles are comparatively well-understood by the mainstream. So not "literally any" fighter is relevant here (and certainly some are more relevant than others).
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    But this is exactly what i'm sayingto you. Anyone who thinks that JCC doesn't have a defence is also going to miss anything else that isn't spoon fed to them.

    Anyone that actually thinks that Hagler can't box is is going to miss whatever.
     
  3. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Thank you JG...I was going to nominate Fullmer and was trying desperately to wake up my brain cells to come up with the right words, and you've put it all in a nice cogent, to the point package as usual, and as usual, much better than I could lol! :good
     
  4. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I just watched Fullmer vs Robinson I, and Fullmer aint an unskilled brute he is actually quite cunning in his attacks and his jabs really offset Ray's timing.
     
  5. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    This is going to iritate itrimariti no end, but Carlos Monzon..who still gets underrated in this field due to the unflashy subtlety of his skills. Witness the 2nd Briscoe fight for the best evidence of his boxing skills.
     
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    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    This threads away to go off on a tangent now.
     
  7. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    haha:lol:
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol: Christ, it's true. I never thought of that. Monzon is exactly the type of fighter people are always whining "doesnt get his due" as a boxer. Inspite of his being ranked consistantly at the top of the MW rankings h2h for exactly that reason.
     
  9. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Maybe they haven't watched the fights? (frankenfrank)

    Maybe whatever. But it doesn't stop us edifying ourselves by pointing these things out.
     
  10. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think many times Monzon is grudgingly "given his due" more because of his height, reach and "awkward, stiff style" and cunning, rather than any outright boxing ability that he possesed, and like I say, just reference his rematch with Briscoe to see a mobile, resourceful BOXING Monzon, who also effortlessly threw just about every type of punch, jabs, left hooks, rights and uppercuts while on the back foot, aka "retreating" on an onrushing, ever aggresive Briscoe...it almost reminds me of Ali-Frazier with Monzon being so relatively fluid.
     
  11. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    "unflashy subtelty" or non-existence? :good

    Seriously though, I'd say the Briscoe fight is more showing off how he deals with pressure. The fights with Valdez and Napoles probably flatter his skillset best.
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, interesting choice of words though.

    The thing is, I think this goes to far. It's always been fashionable on the board to say, "so and so doesn't get his due" or "such and such doesn't get enough credit" and people parrot it and all of a sudden you're dealing with Mickey Walker as a master boxer based upon one performance where he was apparently boxing off the back foot only to carry an opponent...but that does't stop him out-boxing LaMotta, because, you know, he doesn't get enough credit as a boxer.

    I think things have gone far to far in this redress. I think "who has overated skills" would be a much more interesting thread.

    Having said all that, yeah, there's nothing negative to be said about a tempered look at areas of a fighter's game tha may have been missed.
     
  13. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    I agree, although that's more a criticism of the way we're handling these kinds of threads than it is an argument against starting them in the first place. Like you say, we must be careful.
     
  14. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    You just need use good old common sense for stuff like this, so as not to go overboard in trying to re-address the perceived injustices for fighters who are beng underestimated in your eyes.

    I'll give a shout out to fighting Harada.When he was sharp he could box really well when he wanted to mix it up from his usual swarming.It gave him an added edge against Jofre in their first fight especially, as he could mix it up if Jofre was starting to get to him.
     
  15. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thats what has happened with Larry Holmes legacy and ability.