Fighters travelling...

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  1. Boxing Prospect

    Boxing Prospect Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    ...recently on facebook I was involved in an argument regarding fighters travelling, especially in regards to fighters fighting in the US after making their name in Europe or Asia.

    The general view of others was that fighters should travel to the US however when asked why the answers weren't that cohesive, especially when compared to US fighters travelling themselves.

    The general view seemed to be that US fighters stay at home because they can get paid more that way. To me that makes a lot of sense. However what the person failed to realise is that the Germans, Brits and Japanese fighters all got paid better at home as the draw than they'd get as the opponent or an undercard fighter in the US.

    One man mentioned as a fighter who "should travel" was Jeurgen Breahmer. Breahmer should apparently travel to fight Stevenson, Pascal, Kovalev or Beterbiev. I understand that for his LEGACY those would be huge bouts for him if he was to win though he'd be the clear under-dog against all 4. However in terms of money he'd likely not be paid too well to fight any of those 4. In regards to money, he'd be better off fighting Joe Bloggs, John Smith and anyone else at home where he is the draw has a TV deal, sponsors and can sell out the stadiums.

    Another man mentioned was Naoya Inoue. Inoue should apparently travel to the US to make a name for himself. On paper that sounds amazing however he's a huge name in Japan with several million tuning in to see him fight his last bout. In terms of opponents there is no big name fighter in the US for him to fight, he'd likely have to take a substantial pay cut, and he'd be seen by a much smaller audience. In fact whilst he's main event in Japan he'd likely have to be a bit part on an undercard stateside.

    I understand that for some fighters travelling is ideal for them both financially and legacy wise. Though for others it'd be more damaging to them.

    For someone like Gennady Golovkin it's perfect to travel, create a global fan base, get paid and create a legacy. For others however, especially smaller or less skilled fighters, the idea of travelling isn't a good one.

    Also...Chris John was also accused of being a stay at home fighter yet he fought in Indonesia, Japan, Australia, USA and Singapore. Not only that but he also fought some of his tougher foes on the road or at a neutral venue such as Vetyeka (Australia), Piriyapinyo (Singapore), Juarez (USA-twice) and Enoki (Japan). Fans calling for him to "travel more" seemed to ignore the fact he was travelling.

    What we should be calling for is that champions, like John, should be fighting better challengers. Not that he should be travelling, though that's on the head of contenders and the title bodies for not forcing mandatories.
     
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  2. RahmanATG

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    When Hasim Rahman traveled to Auckland New Zealand he got beat on a scorecard by a guy previously 2-3. Dont travel friends
     
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  3. takahiro-onaga

    takahiro-onaga Active Member Full Member

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    Might be good to see fight:
    http://youtu.be/QSeKqUWE0A8

    Rahman travel for money, big prize for winner. Sprott and Rogan on same thing.
     
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  4. RahmanATG

    RahmanATG Guest

    :good:hey
    Did the Rock man know he would lose to such an awful opponent? I wonder if he even made 1000 dollars for this "appearance loss"
     
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  5. STB

    STB #noexcuses Full Member

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    Traditionally the most money and recognition in America.

    Not as blatant as it used to be buts its still the centre of boxing, in most divisions.

    Even the Eastern Euros, are going to America when they turn pro.

    It become a self fulfilling prophesy. The best fighters are already there so then more top fighters go there
     
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  6. antonio plaisir

    antonio plaisir the detonator Full Member

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    depends on the division. contrast super middle crowds in europe against the us. americans are very insular, though. fans don't travel (although there were plenty of them at the world cup, fair play), and consider their nation the centre of the universe. look at the claims of duck levelled on here when hearn tried to negotiate porter v brook in the uk, or attaboi claiming monaco was built to be the vegas of asia!
     
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  7. beachie17

    beachie17 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its to do with USA and in particular being seen as the mecca of boxing. To ignorant people and mostly Americans, you are nothing and have achieved nothing until you fight in America. Euro fighters go to USA more than the other way round as promoters are more powerful and much more wealthy and they can afford to pay the extra fess to get someone over as PPV in America generates such huge amounts of money
     
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  8. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    I like...

    The Chris John paragraph is lovely. I've been repeating that for years in an attempt to counter the obvious bullsh!t that fans spew about his "holding the title hostage"... despite fighting multiple defenses in each of Japan, USA, Australia, Singapore. Was Chris John supposed to fight in the USA instead of facing Yordan in the biggest ever Indonesian fight ever and on principle of viewership one of the biggest fights of that year???

    It has to be telling though for certain fighters who can fill stadiums like Khan in the UK to be wanting to and fighting in the US consistently. Even Froch wants to go to the USA again as opposed to selling out the 80K seat Wembley. So the money does have to be there in certain contexts.
     
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  9. boxon123

    boxon123 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As a dual citizen of the Us and another country , I can comment on this subject. American don't have Passport and don't travel anywhere . 4 out of 10 Americans do not have a Passport.
    It is a myth that fighters earn huge money in the USA other than at the very top level. They are all just used up trying to get to the top. The level of US boxers has fallen dramatically .
     
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  10. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    I'm sure they all willingly travel across the globe with their teams fighting in the opponents home country to take a pay cut. Yeahhhhhh...
     
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  11. takahiro-onaga

    takahiro-onaga Active Member Full Member

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    Who ever think Inoue fight in US need brain surgery.
     
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  12. Tancred

    Tancred Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  13. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Haha, yuuuuup....
     
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  14. boxon123

    boxon123 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I see you know absolutely nothing about how fighters are paid or the fact that the US dollar hasn't been worth a pinch of **** against world currencies in the last five years . Funny you mention Arnold Schwarzenegger I am sittinging in a hotel in Asia watching rise of the Machines. LOL
     
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