Fighters where their fundamentals help them through aging...

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  1. suriamarsuli

    suriamarsuli Member Full Member

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    From what I've seen(in most boxing gyms),the trainers/coach usually taught you to box while greatly emphasized on the importance of fundamentals in boxing.

    I read a few months ago that Monte D Cox wrote that Joe Louis was the most fundamentally "correct" heavyweight boxer.

    I also remember reading one poster (from the boxing scene) mentioned that for a fundamentally correct boxer,Joe Louis sure aged much faster(and more apparent) in the ring when he fought after WWII.

    Compared to Archie Moore and Jersey Joe Walcott,who despite their advanced age (around 37-42),still managed to give the much younger Rocky Marciano an exciting match(both even managed to knock The Rock down).With Archie Moore managed to win the light-heavyweight title in 1959.

    The question here is what are your thoughts about a boxing fundamentals?Does good boxing fundamentals helps a boxer to go on when their physical marvel left them?

    Or a good boxing fundamentals is merely a "correct" way to box and have no influence on a boxers from continuing their boxing career into their advanced age?
     
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  2. dinnynosher

    dinnynosher Active Member Full Member

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    Is this just an excuse to holla Bernard Hopkins name? Wait a sec, Bernard, is that you??
     
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  3. the commentator

    the commentator Boxing Addict Full Member

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    hardwork, dedication..... = ............
     
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  4. suriamarsuli

    suriamarsuli Member Full Member

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    When I'm making this thread.I'm thinking fighters like Archie Moore and Jersey Joe Walcott.No modern fighter involve here because there are other external cause for their longeveity,(i.e modern medicines,drugs...)

    Especially people like Bernard Hopkins,who refused to take the test when challenged by Jean Pascal.
     
    suriamarsuli, Aug 22, 2012
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  5. salty trunks

    salty trunks Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Definitely certain styles work better for a fighter with slowed reflexes and footwork. Larry Holmes would be a perfect example. He could box well against young solid fighters well into his mid 40's. He didnt take the type of punishment that Foreman did in his older age did.

    Both Hopkins and Holyfield adapted more of an ugly grappling style in my opinion.
     
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  6. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Barrera did a damned good job re-tooling his style for the Hamed fight and after that as well.
     
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  7. WhyYouLittle

    WhyYouLittle Stand Still Full Member

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    Mike Mccallum. In fact that's the biggest proof of how skilled he was IMO. Athletically speaking he was a different fighter by the time he move to MW IMO. The only thing that kept him going as he did was because of his technique.
     
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  8. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, McCallum is as good example as any. Just look at his fight against RJJ when old and shot. He got widely outpointed, but certainly didn't cop a beating and it was clear Roy treated him with respect.

    Boxing fundamentals allows you attack and defend while minimizing exertion and vulnerability as well as maximizing power and accuracy. Therefore they of course serve you well when you can't rely on great physical ability.
     
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  9. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Juan Manuel Marquez certainly deserves mentioning.
     
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  10. Lester1583

    Lester1583 Can you hear this? Full Member

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    Jones treated old McCallum with respect and that's why Bodysnatcher didn't
    receive a beating.
     
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  11. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Rabbit punching, stalling and faking low blows are fundamentals?
     
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  12. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    The success of old second rate 175 hopkins single handedly trolled the fighting ability of an entire generation of light-heavies\super-middles.
     
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  13. suriamarsuli

    suriamarsuli Member Full Member

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    But then again why does Joe Louis,whom which Monte D Cox refers to as the most fundamentally "correct" boxer,declined greatly in his fights after WWII when his speed left him.Why didn't his fundamentals help him?
     
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  14. TheSouthpaw

    TheSouthpaw Champion Full Member

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    Ali
    Barrera
    Foreman (from the 90's)
    De la Hoya..( even though he was losing most of his fights there towards the end)
    Jersey Joe
     
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  15. duranimal

    duranimal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Duran
     
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