Fighters who beat joshua

Not sure I've created threads put I've expressed my admiration for him as a fighter and I've said for years (not necessarily on here) that if he and AJ fought I believe Wilder would catch him early and knock him out. I've believed that for the past 2 years and I still believe it.

I don't think Wilder is a better fighter than AJ, but H2H I think he wins.

Ask me any question and I'll answer honestly.

The only thing I'll slate Wilder for is his CV. Which is stuffed with cans and no-hopers

 

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What that has to do with my point that I've made which you've dodged I don't know.

Your main gripe from your op, is that people are going overboard with criticism and you are here to denounce it all and you would do the same for any other fighter, yet you can't show evidence for doing this.

So with that being so, this tells me you are apart of the Joshua fan club that is now taken back that your favorite fighter has now received universal criticism after suffering a conclusive loss.

I'm confident, that had Wilder or Fury received an embarrassing loss, you'd be joining in mocking them.

Similar to how Eddie Hearn was getting on his high horse and turning his nose up at both Wilder and Fury for their post fight criticism of joshua, when all year round he's been throwing digs at both Fury, citing he's not an exciting fighter, he's irrelevant and calling Wilder a key board warrior etc

A silver spooned promoter who treats his fighters like slaves, calling a fighter a keyboard warrior! What have you got to say about that?

 

Don't get this . Same as any other promoter, he is making his clients as much money as possible in a short career.

 

You might get booted for posting a thread like this. It attacks people, you see.

 

Sure. Maybe. Just frustrated at all the drivel

 

Well on the face of things, you can blame Wilder for his CV, however when you look into the wider context, a fighter can't force another human into the ring if they don't wish to fight.

I say the same when it comes to GGG and his distractors who attempt to discredit him based on CV.

When you fail to factor in the list of fighters who simply refused to fight, or failed drug tests, then there are only going to be a short list of fighters left.

It's not Wilder's fault Parker chose to fight his sparring partner when Wilder called him out and offered to step in on short notice after Hughie Fury pulled out of their fight.

It's not Wilders fault Povetkin decided to inject Ostarine and swallow meldonium leading to subsequent bans

Neither can he be blamed if Joshua refuses to fight outside the uk for 50 million or if Fury throws a 50/50 contract off his desk that was placed in front of him.

How much better a cv it would be had his opponents had the same desire to prove who was the best and had his opponents remained professionals who refused to be tempted into cheating.

 

1. My Dad can KO Joshua ??? is your dad Rich??? must be if he can KO Joshua.

 

Sure, but I know GGG was legit avoided like the plague (this is openly acknowledged in the sport) and it's just taken time to force his opponents into the ring.

I don't think that's the case with Wilder. Wilder's problem has been the narrow TV environment world he's operated in, and the American-centric POV it's had on his career. If this was an era where the US HW scene was busting at the seams with talent then fair enough, but it's decidedly not.

The best HWs are in Europe. You may think that it's historically weak and you may be right, but you can't compare Wilder's CV to AJ's - they're not even close.

 

The best don't get rocked by fading fighters. I've had my doubts since the Klitschko fight. Plus the stamina issues are present.

 

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Wilder nearly got stopped by 45 year Ortiz.

No-one is invincible

 

It's well documented that the names I mentioned avoided Wilder or failed drug tests.

It can't be argued.

As for comparing Wilder's resume to AJ, I'm not doing that. It's always AJ fanboys that are driven by the need to compare their resumes as if it's light years apart.

When truth be told, AJ's resume is marginally better when you take in to consideration the amount of fights he's had in comparison to Wilder's 40.

But the quality side by side is relatively the same.

The names you mentioned look good on paper, but when we go further taking into account context in regards to the stages each of them where in their career when they fought AJ, then its more or less smoke and mirrors. I've dissected his resume many times to explain this as have many others.

The bottom line the only impressive names are Parker, Wlad and now Ruiz. After that you're looking at fighters between 37-40, out of shape half injured prospects and circus jokes lIke Charles Martin.

Is this sort of overrating of AJ's resume, which has attracted many ''haters'' as you would say. The way it's been hyped up beyond all questioning, the way Eddie Hearn constantly repeats and empathizes all those names as if every single one were prime undefeated champions who were each carrying their own legacy.

Get to the crux of it and it really isn't that great.

 

Thank you for confirming that you're an idiot

 

Oh look you've bitched out of the debate.

Typical AJ fanboy crying because you can't look at his resume objectively.

Probably why you can't fathom how anyone was capable of predicting Ruiz to send your boy to sleep.

Probably never heard of Ruiz, before the Joshua fight, and was expecting another Joshua steamrolling.

Tell me if you can moron, who on Joshua's resume is better than Fury since you seem to think his resume is otherworldly?

 

What about on the other side of the fence. Joshua's size, modern science and training advancements means the fighters of old have zero chance against him. So if that was Tua or M.Tyson in Ruiz's place what do you think happens to Joshua?

He wouldn't even consider a rematch with either of those two because he would know he has zero chance against them.