Fighters who cleaned their division out in a short amount of time.

Spinks and Moorer at LH.

Moorer knocked out everyone he ever fought at LH, actually.

 

Moorer didn't fight the top light heavyweights when he was there.

Most likely not his fault, but what he did at 175 was light years from cleaning out the division.

 

What do you mean by linear? The man who beat the man?

Was he better because he was linear?

Why do people mention the word linear? Does LINEAR = better?

 

Ben Villaflor defeated Kuniaki Shibata in one round to become WBA champ at 130lbs, and when Shibata subsequently gained the WBC laurels, it pretty much meant that Villaflor was the man in the division.

Serrano defeated Villaflor, and therefore became the linear champion.

Arguello would likely have defeated Serrano, I think...but, then again, he was troubled by movers, and Serrano was quite the slickster in his day.

 

yeah he was the modern day erdei. he was happy not having a challenge but being lineal

 

Serrano was a great fighter, no question about that. :good He could have defeated AA or maybe not, but that is irrelevant. My question is.... does it really matter if he was the LINEAR CHAMPION or not? What if he wasn't? Are we going to say that he has no chance because he's not the linear champion?

In other words....if you are the Lineal Champion can you say that you are better than the rest?

When I try to match two boxers in a dream match I never think about if they were linear or not.... I don't pay attention to that, because to me it is irrelevant. I take into consideration their assets and if they have fought someone similar to his oponents style.

I think people use it to mean something. I read almost every week on this site (mostly in the general forum) things like this ......"He defeated the Linear Champion"......"He was the Linear Champion at _______" (fill in the weigh class). I think they mean that the linear champion is the best.

Let me put things the other way around. How come people say that AA is probably the best at 130 ever? Are they out of their minds? If he was not the Linear Champion why these people can claim that?

If being the linear champion is more important, then we should rank Linear Champions higher....after all the others are just bs champions.

 

What Drew is saying (besides simply pointing out Serrano's lineal base for clarity) is that Arguello possibly didn't "clean out the division" which is the actual question of the thread. You say yourself Serrano was a great fighter.

You've misunderstood him i think. He's not trying to undermine Arguello at all.

 

Hi John.

I understand his position. Drew is one hell of a poster same as you. I respect you both.

My position is not really about Serrano as a boxer or about AA not cleaning the division. Maybe I did not explain myself very well. What I am trying to say is that there is no need to say that Serrano was the Linear Champion.

Why do people mention the word LINEAR? Is it really important to say that so the rest of the people can understand why a particular poster or fan favour one boxer over another? I am not saying that he gives the edge to Serrano....no... I am not saying that.

My original point to Erratic behaviour was about the word LINEAR.

Lets forget for a moment about Serrano and AA. Lets think about any LINEAR champion in any division. My question is....why do people mention the word LINEAR? When I see that word and I try to understand what they try to say, the only thing that comes to mind is that they are trying to say that he was the real deal. Is this true? Are Linear Champions the real deal? What is the relevance?

 

I'll let Drew answer from here, it just looked like you may have taken him wrong.

Cheers mate

 

No, linear champions are not always the best fighters in the division. Arguello will no doubt be ranked higher on the all-time 130 lb. list than Serrano.

However, the topic is about guys "cleaning out" a division (which really doesn't happen all that often anyway). That means beating all the top guys there. Beating the linear champ is necessary to clean out a division, IMO.

 

Hi there,

Yes, the topic is about guys cleaning out a division, it just happens that it took my attention when you mentioned the word linear when you talked about Serrano. I did not see and I don't see the relevance. Even if Serrano wasn't the Linear Champ you, me and many others can say that AA did not clean out the division.

In other words If a champ does face almost everybody but for some reasons does not face a great contender or another champ, even if that other champ is not the Linear, but is a great champ, then we can say that he did not clean out the division. I agree with you in this regard, a champion must face the best comp in his division to claim that he actually cleaned out his division.

Just to make it clear, my whole point was that I don't see the relevance of being linear or mention the word linear when talking about a champ. Belts or names don't make the champion or make the champion better.... I believe is the other way around... the champion makes the belt. Peace. :good

 

He never fought Davis Jr, Kenty, or Gonzales.