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You see I don’t agree with that, maybe I’m weird, I watched that fight in slow motion, I watched that fight with the bias commentary muted and I’ve seen it a bunch of times regularly and it looked like for all the flurries it was Chavez breaking Meldrick into pieces, On damage which is how rounds are won this is the pros I think “The King Of Mexico” won fair, Meldrick looked impressive but I don’t think he was winning and standing his ground with JCC Snr cost him his career, that is not how I’d advise a fighter beat JCC, I’d tell him to wait 5 more years if he was young enough LOL.

 

Michael Spinks v. Larry Holmes.

Lateral movement then dart in with flurries. Tie up. Basically broke Holmes rather and made him use his legs.

 

I don’t know, I think as much as I like Louis and he’s my 1# HW I think that had he not got in so quickly and Schemling had the will to go on it might’ve gone similarly to the first time, I don’t think besides this to a degree aberration Louis never showed us he could solve how Max got him the first time…. Or maybe he did and that was Blackburn’s plan? I’d have to watch what happened at the boots a third fight, a boxing match like the first and I’d be curious to see how Louis does.

 

Why not exactly? Ali did it in a less then optimal way himself… he didn’t sustain much damage unless you want to count kidney punches? Most of it was rolled with or picked off at the elbows - Holmes could do it, he even did it as an old man against Holyfield who was not as powerful but a lot more skilled then Foreman and knew how to fight inside a bit - do you think Young couldn’t? I’d even take a 200lbs Toney to get the job done… IF your opponent squares up like George did, head down the middle, hips straight on and punches wide as you’ll have them.,. what you’re meant to do, to a guy like that is get your shoulder into there chest and rip the uppercut down the middle.

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Starting at about 7:33 - 7:40 all he leaves Bowe to throw is a right to the back of his head, he does this throughout the bout and it nullifies Riddick, Toney would do the same thing to GF… checkout Georges posture in the below… 22:51 his instinct is to get square, it’s why Ali could man handle him he did it all night and it is a huge liability.

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Oscar Delahoya vs Felix Trinidad

 

While it's true that Chavez was breaking him down, Taylor was piling up points. Chavez was struggling with the speed & flurries of Taylor (even if Taylor he wasn't hurting him). He looked kinda out of place up until the 10th Round when the accumulation of his punches started to take effect. I also said that the guys that came after him that managed to beat (or get a BS draw) with him used better defence & timing, so they weren't getting hit as much but we're still able to be assertive.

 

No it didn’t last long and Max was older but I think Joe did show how he had adjusted, not just holding the left higher and quickly returning to it to guard position after jabbing but he also stepped back when Max launched an early counter right which also saw the punch fall short.

 

Holding his left higher wasn’t an issue, much to what people say, Schemling made Louis drop it with the game he was playing - I’d like to have seen a third fight or a second fight where Schemling doesn’t manage to be on the other side of a Blitzkreig lol.

 

Okay fantasy fights aside, those are your opinions fair enough… Standing in front of him like Toney is exactly how you deal with him? it’s a lot safer then what Ali was doing lol you shut it all down and only have to look at the left hand - Of course you can shoulder roll Foreman? He isn’t an exception to a technique, if you throw a right hand you can have it be rolled lol you can’t “muscle” your way through falling short of a punch. Ali wee wee’d blood because he was being punched in the Kidneys brother. Ali landed lead rights on Foreman because he was fighting dumb that night, you shouldn’t get hit with that many lead rights, so many that it is talked about all across forums… it’s a sign maybe he ain’t as good as advertised? Not that it’s a special technique you can virtually see a right coming… you ever see lead rights thrown that often and effective against another “ATG”?

 

Holding the left higher was one of several corrections, and the main correction was returning the left quickly and properly to a guard position after jabbing - as I said.

Schmeling, the proverbial counter puncher, was obviously taking advantage of launching the right in counter after Louis jabbed, Joe leaving himself wide open to a right counter.

Louis was far more tight with his offence/defence in the rematch.

 

Sort of - Do you know how Schemling was getting Louis to “drop” his left?

 

Agree 100% with this analysis!! Ali had superhuman ability to take hard punches and he not only still had the terrific hand speed but now could punish you with his shots. Even peak Holmes didn't have the overall package Ali had in that Zaire fight. As dmt states Holmes can't make ONE mistake against Foreman--if he does he's finished.

 

You tell me what you see and I’ll tell you if I agree with it or not.

 

Well that’s a rude way of asking Pug, so no, I asked first and I wasn’t impolite to you it’s not a test or a “gotcha” I just wanted to see if you noticed, not everyone will.