Fighters who fall short of true greatness but are great h2h?

Vitali Klitschko.

 

H2H, 1995/6 version of Hamed was something close to unbeatable.

The guy had a great career, not sure if he was truly great, I think he was, just not for very long.

 

joel casamayor

 

Agreed, Marshall particularly would have to be well within my top 100.

 

Anyone mentioned Ike Ibeabuchi? Gerald McCellan? Herol Bomber Graham? Kalambay?

 

Lloyd has an argument to be sure, he was in the deep end his whole career and had some great wins. He did lose quite a few fights, but always to quality fighters. I'll have to re-consider him more closely, especially considering that I have a lot of of his victims in my top 100 (Charles at #7 -though Charles was pre-prime a little, Burley at #42, Lamotta at #54 and Williams at #79).

 

Cheers my man :good

 

Finally saw the fight, and yeah that sure was interesting. That right hand would have sent him out of the ring if the ropes weren't there to prop him up. The ref didn't call it a knockdown, but I scored it a 10-8 round to Murata, which kind of decided my card. I had it a draw in the end. I think Chandler won a couple more rounds decisively than what Murata did, but I think the draw verdict was an ok decision.

The fight itself was a bit of a disappointment overall because it featured excessive holding after every exchange between the two fighters. A bit of a clinch fest, as they say.

Most exciting moment came in the last round when Chandler, who seemed to have been getting on top after he started throwing uppercuts as Murata was trying to aggressively work his way in, left himself open and ate another of those overhand haymakers that launched him into the ropes in the first round. He was spaghetti legged for about a minute. Showed great heart though to fire back when he was hurt. He didn't let Murata run over him, even though he did eat a couple of follow up right hands which had him wobbling.

 

How about a well-supported, well-matched and funded Freddie Pendleton? Were he treated like an Olympic Champ rather than thrown to the wolves he might have fared even better.

Same goes for Oleg Maskaev. Oliver McCall in your 7th fight is just cruel.

 

How about samart payakaroon? He seemed to have the talent to be a great in his weight class but I think Fenech had the worst style possible for him to come up against. Is saying he had the talent of a great a stretch? What do you guys think?

 

Aaron Pryor. Well he's ranked high on some lists, but I think he's overrated historically.

Donald Curry. A handful for many welterweights in history during the 1984-86 period.

Hector Camacho Sr. A handful for many jr. lightweights and lightweights during his peak, but a monumental waste of talent.

 

When i read names like Lennox Lewis, Erik Morales, and Marco Antonio Barrera, it's painfully obvious that this list does not answer the question of the thread, which is addressing fighters who "fall short of true greatness".

I don't see Juan Manuel Marquez on the list. Please don't tell me he breaks into the top 100, and the other two Mexicans are below him.

 

Decent shout.

 

Then you probably didnt read the series of posts that lead to him posting that list either.