Fighters who had a disease in the ring

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  1. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yes .. I think he sustained a brain injury during his boxing .. there is a recent published article that came out in the Chicago tribune regarding it .. how his brothers couldn't afford his home care and had him committed i believe ,, i haven't found the article yet maybe if you come across it you can fill me in .. i dont have access to a lot down here
     
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  2. USFBulls727

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    I've read, and I believe I've seen it on this forum, that Saddler used to dehydrate Foreman before fights. I wonder why they would have done that with no weight limit to meet, and how much that contributed to the younger Foreman gassing out in fights. Could be why the climate bothered George more than Jimmy Young I suppose. Old man Foreman didn't practice the dehydration thing in his comeback, and seemed to have better stamina than he did in his prime.
     
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  3. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In his comeback, he practiced getting his money’s worth at buffets.

    Free refills of liquids … and food.
     
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  4. Vic The Gambler

    Vic The Gambler Active Member Full Member

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    Yes Pat…I would agree that Spinks tried to execute a gameplan. This was an unbeaten fighter, a two weight World Champion, the man who ended the great Larry Holmes 48-0 record. A man like this would definitely have a gameplan whether he was scared or not. But it lasted 70 seconds after he was hit in the ribs by Tyson.

    It was a variation of the quote…”Everyone has a plan until they’re hit in the face.”

    Except in this case it was “…hit in the ribs…”

    After that, the gameplan changed to one of survival, which he managed to do for the next 21 seconds!
     
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  5. joebojoejoeson

    joebojoejoeson Member banned Full Member

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    Touching story as I stated I can't name one fighter who never made a excuse when they lost. Ali even made excuses when he won. When Ali got the gift win over Jimmy Young he stated the only reason he looked bad was because he was out of shape. Mike Tyson made excuses to why he lost to Buster Douglas. Lennox Lewis made excuses to why he lost to Hasim Rahman and Oliver McCall. Evander Holyfield constantly made excuses when he lost.

    Here is another point that proves you don't really watch boxing. George Foreman used the heat as a excuse to why he lost to Jimmy Young. Gil Clancy is the one who brought up the heat and humidity of Puerto Rico. Gil Clancy said he told Foreman to come to Puerto Rico 7 days before hand to get used to the high humidity like Jimmy Young did. Foreman came to Puerto Rico 1 day before hand. In any case Foreman never used the heat as a excuse. So for lying to try to prove a point I will ignore you and never respond to you again.

    So clearly you don't know what chronic means.
    Definition of chronic
    1a : continuing or occurring again and again for a long time
    : always present or encountered
    b : being such habitually
     
  6. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Couple of thoughts:

    1) I like how Sean O’Grady once phrased it on commentary in showing the mindset of a boxer and the importance of self-conference and believing in one’s own invulnerability:

    ‘You never lose when you’re at your best — because if you’re at your best how could you lose?’ In other words, if a boxer loses then something must have been wrong … because otherwise he has to accept the other guy is better and he’s not as good as he has convinced himself he is.

    2) I have no doubt that @Richard M Murrieta has watched as much boxing as anyone on this forum. His statement doesn’t prove anything. One can watch boxing and get facts mixed up — maybe he misremembered that it was Foreman who said what Clancy actually said. Maybe he knew it and forgot. But it danged sure doesn’t mean he doesn’t watch boxing.
     
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  7. Pugguy

    Pugguy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sure, if I turn anything up I will definitely post it.
     
  8. Pugguy

    Pugguy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well said SaintPat.

    And citing second career examples of Foreman not making excuses totally ignores the reinvented version of Foreman - the young George of Zaire being the antithesis of Big Old Cuddly George - the Zaire fight and associated denials ultimately sling shotting George in the other direction in terms of accepting realities.
     
  9. joebojoejoeson

    joebojoejoeson Member banned Full Member

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    Lol um Foreman making excuses in 1 fight doing his prime means what? He made excuses for losing against Ali. Prime Foreman only lost 1 other time and he never made excuse for that lost. You act like Foreman was the only person who ever made excuses for a lost.
     
  10. Pugguy

    Pugguy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, I compared the Foreman who made excuses for the Zaire fight - (and those excuses were NOTABLY varied, OUTLANDISH and indicative of acute and unhealthy DENIAL), noting him to be a vastly different Foreman to the one who reappeared on the scene 10 years after his first retirement.

    So, obviously, comparing those two Foreman’s isn’t apples to apples.

    Is there some sort of comprehension issue for you on this? It’s pretty simple.
     
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  11. joebojoejoeson

    joebojoejoeson Member banned Full Member

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    Maybe reading is hard for you. So you are the one with he comprehension problem. The point is who cares? Foreman complained about losing in 1 fight. That is it. Tons of other fighters have complained about losing as well. Get it now? Who cares. I am not responding to you anymore anyway
     
  12. NoNeck

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    I heard soemthing about a day before flight and the temperature of the overhead lights for Foreman's loss to Young. I'm not sure if these were Foreman's excuses or the works of fans.
     
  13. Pugguy

    Pugguy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, as I ALREADY suggested, the comprehension issues are obviously yours. No prizes for second.

    Don’t respond - wonderful. Put me on your ignore list even - it will be an honour.

    That list will no doubt begin to swell quickly and be fully comprised of people more intelligent than yourself who you cannot refute or debate with.
     
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  14. Mike_b

    Mike_b Active Member Full Member

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    It's like what Manny steward said : these guys are starting to make it look like they want to get hit in the face, teddy A said some fighters would get offended if you didn't hit them lol. But anyway yes to that self harm statement, when a person has propensity to throw hands and is in the small demographic of having mental illness as well, that leads to abusiveness outside of the ring. Look at Edwin Valero, or even Danny Williams quoted to "be in his room two hours before the fight throwing apart furniture couches beds and such while crying non stop" a self well HBO admitted bi polar. Some dudes are just too darn strong for their own good, an MMA fighter went to jail for accidently pushing a regular guy as he stumbled and hit his head. Also David Tua smashed a fist into a brick wall and broke his hand.

    I get it, nothing in their life can break them out of all the misery they've been through, they use these hardships in the ring to motivate themselves because there ain't nothing an opponent can do to them that's been worse than they've ever been through outside the ring. You could call it a glutton for punishment or just having a lot of heart. I always wondered in certain fights when a boxer gets his nose broken how much does that hurt? Adrenaline or pain?

    Also the fighter who is poorer will likely outwork the rich fighter, because he's already used to fighting poverty, he just wants it that much more. See Sergio mora vs peter Manfredi, just the passion Sergio had.
     
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  15. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I then will admit my wrong, using the word Chronic, I have been watching pro boxing since 1965, maybe it is just as well that we don't respond to each other.
     
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