Fighters who kept climbing after what could have been their psychological Everest?

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    We all know about fighters who seemingly couldn't reach the same level of motivation and dedication after reaching the pinnacle. Johnson after Jeffries, Liston after Patterson, Frazier after FOTC, Ali after Zaire, SRL after Hagler, Tyson after Spinks, Fury after Wlad (though in that case it might still turn out he could) etc, etc.

    So who were the fighters who just kept on showing desire no matter what they had already achieved? Are there any?
     
  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Joe Louis is an obvious example.

    He just kept doing it until his body wasn't capable any more!
     
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  3. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    JCC, Duran, FMM, come to mind and today I see Loma,
     
  4. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pac went from 105 all the way up and cleaned house along the way .. Jofre was an extremely popular sports figure in Brazil and probably only 2nd to Pele at the time from what I've read. there was huge demand for him to keep fighting and I sense he might have felt it as sort of his duty to his country( I'm sure @ChrisJS will correct me if I'm wrong here) and him coming out of retirement and going on that run to win another title was impressive. Bhops longevity was impressive as well schooling Pavlik at 43 years old
     
  5. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree with Hopkins, since he just went from strength to strength, considering his age, after beating Tito. Duran mostly went downhill, with some bright moments, after Montreal, though. No Mas was an absolute disgrace and Laing was really bad as well.
     
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  6. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    First I one thought of personally.
     
  7. GordonGarner65

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    I get the idea behind the thread..it came from the Frazier thread.. however I think some of the examples you've given are very subjective.
    You say Ali's peak was Foreman and he couldn't match it after ? I suggest that was age and wear and tear rather then motivation.
    You could say he wouldn't be motivated after Liston but he was.
    Tyson was demotivated after Spinks ?He was on a slippy slope due to his life away from the ring , the Spinks fight was an irrelevance in that regard.
    Liston wasn't demotivated after Patterson , he was ageing and became inactive because he'd mopped up the division then ran into young Ali.
    These guys didn't slide because of demotivation.
    A few ( like Lennox ) just keep going until they know they can't anymore, he was one of the best examples of going when the time is right . Very few do which is the real answer to your post. There's a difference between staying motivated forever and a day ( eg Holyfield , which leads to fighting past the point it's good for you) or walking away at the right time ( Marciano / Lennox).
     
  8. Bokaj

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    By the time the rubber with JMM came around, I do think Pac had lost some desire. It's not that he became dreadful overnight, but I don't think he ever quite was the same again. The intensity he had against Cotto would never show itself again.

    Of course that could be age, but it coincided quite well with campaigning for congress and all that as I remember.
     
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  9. Bokaj

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    Foreman came long after Ali's peak, but Ali just seemed to start to slack off even more in training after regaining his title. But perhaps not the best example since Ali was already past his best at that point and inconsistent in his preparations all through his second career.

    I normally don't like all the excuses made for Tyson, but he did seem to show a drop in intensity after Spinks. I can't wholly get away from that.

    Again, I normally don't like these excuses, but it is on record that he started to slack off in training after winning the title. It seems pretty legit to me.
     
  10. janitor

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    Floyd Patterson perhaps?

    He really won in the longevity game, despite his size/style working against him.

    Perhaps he never truly hit his Everest?
     
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  11. Bokaj

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    Beating Ingo the second time could be seen as an Everest. But the two painful losses to Liston gave him something to try and make up for on the other hand. Many would have given up after those, though, and if not then at least after the even more humiliating defeat he suffered to the hands of Ali. He was a very resilient man, Floyd, and still quit in good time.
     
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    I guess that no potential Everest could ever satisfy him for long, and he always had a nagging self doubt!
     
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  13. Bokaj

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    Nothing beats a nagging self doubt if you want to achieve to the best of your abilities.
     
  14. ChrisJS

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    Jofre’s comeback aged 33 came after he’d done some exhibitions with his aunt in some circuses. Apparently he looked really good still and his son asked him “what do you do for work” so Jofre came back.

    When he retired for good in 1976 he had another title in mind but after his dad died in 1974 he said he “died a little too” and then his brother Dogalberto was training him in 1976 and then he died of cancer too so Jofre just couldn’t find the motivation again.
     
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  15. JC40

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    In the modern era Holyfield, Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather , Manny Pac and Wlad Klitschko have all been total pros who never turned up in less than optimum shape for any fight despite their previous successes. A credit to all of them.