Fighters who lived and passed still clearheaded.

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  1. thistle

    thistle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    it's funny I was just thinking about this earlier this morning. I wonder how many fighters Psychotic Moments, Violent Behaviours and troubled lives was actually as a result of the poundings they took, or was it simply their Environments and Social State, circle of friends and lifestyle.

    I know the short answer would be both, But I'd say the Latter is the Real Reason for most of these types...

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    Salvador Sanchez
     
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  4. JabbaTheGut

    JabbaTheGut Active Member Full Member

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    Floyd Patterson seemed good in his later years
     
  5. thistle

    thistle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Jimmy McClarnin was of sound mind right into his extended years.
     
  6. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Do we know more about Gene ? I've read he had serious alcohol problems ... he was surrounded by massive old money so I'm sure they did their best to cover things up ..
     
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  7. Kamikaze

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    A question for @janitor honestly.
     
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  8. Kamikaze

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    Sadly no. He withered a lot but even with so much of him stripped away mentally he was always kind the sign of a deeply thoughtful man. He was given a token job I forget the duties but it was to allow him to either have an earnings or because he wanted to work anyways he was constantly in a state of apologising and self loathing due to his diminished state. This wasn’t unlike in his younger days Floyd Patterson always did feel like he was letting someone somewhere down. He had a generous soft soul indeed.


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  9. nikrj

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    One thing I always admired about Max Schmeling was his dignified attitude outside the ring. After beating Joe Louis in 1936, the Nazi regime glorified him and tried to use his image, but he never showed himself arrogant or joined the regime. It is said that he saved the lives of two Jewish children by hiding them in his apartment. After retiring from boxing, he became a personal friend of Joe Louis. When Louis died in 1981, Schmeling even paid for the expenses of his funeral. All of this just shows how Max Schmeling was a great human being, as well as a great boxer.
     
  10. sweetsci

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    Someone posted a video of George Chuvalo commenting about Jerry Quarry (IIRC) and he had someone “guiding” him. It really looked like age was taking its’ toll.

    My mom met Archie Moore at a function during the last years of his life. She said that he was an incredible man, but he also had people watching him. He apparently had a tendency to wander off.
     
  11. Richard M Murrieta

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    Even though he was incarcerated for murder, Carlos Monzon.
     
  12. Richard M Murrieta

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    He was, as I mentioned before, I met him at the local Junior High, the last day of school prior to Christmas vacation in Dec 1969. he brought us a truckload of Carnation ice cream and pop. He showed us the fight against Rocky Marciano in 1955, and the one against Muhammad Ali in 1962. He had just opened a Boy's Club in our neighborhood. He explained the importance of being a good law abiding citizen and getting a good education. I will never forget that
     
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  13. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He was only 52 when he died in an auto crash though. Who knows what the years would’ve held in store?
     
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    Hagler seemed pretty solid ...
    Duran as well ..
    Holmes is in fine shape.
     
  15. The Funny Man 7

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    I don't know how many people on here know who Mike Grable was. He's famous for being the first to last 10 rounds with Oscar De La Hoya, that when Oscar was a killing machine breaking bones and leaving world champions face-planted on the canvas. Mike lasted 10 rounds with Oscar and really took a whipping, even though he did put enough leather on Oscar that the Golden Boy has continued to praise Mike's power in interviews until this day.

    I had the chance to meet Mike years ago, being that he's from Grand Rapids and I'm pretty plugged into the scene there.

    Mike only had ~15 fight total and he admitted that he had cognitive issues even though he had relatively few fights and was only in his early forties. He wasn't in dire condition like Jerry Quarry and others have been. But he has real memory problems and he believes it badly affects his judgement.

    That opened my eyes to the fact that virtually no one escapes this sport unscathed.