Fighters who retired the most opponents

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  1. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sometimes it’s a matter of happenstance, being last in line and catching a guy at the end of a long career and whoever was in that spot might have been the one to ‘retire’ that fighter. Others it’s a case of maybe beating a guy up so bad that he doesn’t fight again — perhaps due to injury from that fight or even just showing him that he’s never going to be a factor again so he might as well hang it up.

    But I don’t recall ever seeing this topic so I thought I’d bring it up.

    For the purposes of this, let’s say a fighter was retired if he is out for at least 3 years after his ‘last’ fight and never has a meaningful fight again even if he comes back — for instance, Jimmy Young didn’t retire George Foreman because he did come back and have meaningful fights; but Salvador Sanchez did retire Danny Lopez even though he came back like a dozen years later for one meaningless fight. (I guess we can debate meaningless, but to me Carlos Palomino wasn’t retired by Roberto Duran because he had a long-after comeback where he beat a name fighter and lost to a good fighter, so I wouldn’t call those meaningless.)

    I don’t even have any nominations of fighters who might be atop or near the top of this list, just figured I’d throw it out there. Retiring the most opponents doesn’t add to ATG status IMO (sometimes it’s just luck of the draw that a fighter is the last opponent, sometimes it can be a freak injury or even a common one, like a detached retina, that doesn’t really speak to the winning opponent having much if anything to do with the retirement).

    Oh, and no ring deaths please.

    Anyone have any ideas?
     
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  2. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Who is ready to suffer for Christ (the truth)? Full Member

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    Rocky Marciano
     
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  3. quintonjacksonfan

    quintonjacksonfan Active Member Full Member

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    Barrera against the Prince

    Hopkins beat Tarver and Pavlick and both of them never had another meaningful fight
     
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  4. Heisenberg

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    Apollo Creed retired more men than social security..
     
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  5. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well this is an odd one because for differing reasons - not to be a smart a$$ - but someone was once on about John Stracey and I happened to mention a trivia point about his greatest wins. They were Jose Napoles, Hedgemon Lewis, Ernie Lopez, Roger Menetrey and Jack Tillman. On the thread I pointed out that this was each of the fighter's last fight. Whomever I was discussing this with may have thought I was saying his best wins were over washed up fighters, but I swear I wasn't. I only found it unusual that they never fought again. Anyways, this is my answer. John Stracey with 5.
     
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  6. venbox

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    According to BoxRec, Wlad Klitschko sent Carlos Monroe, Mark Wills, Jerry Halstead, Cody Koch, Lajos Eros and Sultan Ibragimov into retirement, so those are six opponents who never fought again after taking a loss against him.
     
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  7. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Hamed fought again.

    Tarver won IBF at 175 and IBO at cruiser after Hopkins.

    Pavlik beat Rubio and was game against Martinez despite a bad cut, after Hopkins.

    Put the pipe down.
     
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  8. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Tarver retired Lincoon Carter and Chris Johnson back to back, and brutally. He also retired Jonathon Banks and took Jones' soul.
     
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  9. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    For Joe Louis, I believe the following strictly never fought again after facing The Bomber - Uzcudun, Sharkey, John Henry Lewis, Abe Simon and Buddy Baer.

    I noticed a few that had just one more fight after facing Louis but didn't take particular note of who they faced, the outcome or how long after.

    Braddock for one, faced Farr for his last fight about 7 months after being KO'd by Louis. Jim won a split decision, and I would say it was significant enough.
     
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  10. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ken Buchanan retired 3 world champions: Carlos Ortiz, Ismael Laguna and Carlos Hernandez.

    However, the record for most title holders retired stands at 4, and belongs to Jhonny Gonzalez: Mark Johnson, Francisco Tejedor, Irene Pacheco and Jorge Arce all retired after having been stopped by Jhonny in their last fight.
     
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  11. Jel

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    Not a genuine one but there’s a story The Ring always mentions about Jeff Fenech beating Samart Payakaroon so badly that he retired to live in a monastery. Only problem with that is that he was back fighting six months later.
     
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  12. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    They dig up so many guys for certain prospects that the guy who retired most guys might not be that big a deal.
     
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  13. thistle

    thistle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think it might be more significant, in the 2cd sense that you listed, namely that Fighter A beat Fighter B so badly or decisively, that they were never the same again, and fell out of Note... then retired.
     
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  14. Stiches Yarn

    Stiches Yarn Active Member Full Member

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    13 oppononts quit after fighting rocky Marciano.

    Joe Louis,Joe Walcott,Gino Buonvino,Lee Savold,Eldridge Eatman,Carmine Vingo,Pete Louthis,Harry Haft,Jimmy Evans,Humphrey Jackson,Jimmy Weeks,John Edwards, and Lee Epperson
     
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  15. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think of it more as a quirk to be the one who retired the most guys. This discussion and all the mentions are great.

    To me you can define (even with the caveat of meaningless comeback fights years later like Danny Lopez not counting) retirements much better than ‘’well he was never the same again,’ because that guy might have already declined and wasn’t ‘the same’ in the fight we’d credit as ‘declining’ him.

    And sometimes that’s true after a career-best performance — a guy rises to give his best performance in his biggest fight, comes up short and just never recaptures that magic.
     
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