Fighters who suffered setbacks from working with well-known trainers?

One of my favorite things I wrote in my Lennox vs Mike article was Manny's rant. Full article here. https://imgur.com/gallery/QBQhM6x



Emmanuel Steward is furious. The beloved trainer and commentator proceeds to drop the most fire diss track of 2002, all over this bizarre and uncomfortable event. He saw what I see. Mike is a ghost of himself, some lost Jacob Marley-esque figure, weighed down with chains that he forged in his bipolar existence.

But even Tyson's ghost is still dangerous. And Lennox seems content to win rounds when every second in the ring with Tyson is a gamble. Steward didn't want to win rounds. He wanted Tyson gone. And in one of the most horrifically, hilariously awesome corner speeches of all time, Steward took Lennox to task for not showing the killer instinct he wanted. Emmanuel Steward did commentary, excellent, eloquent, intelligent well spoken words and insights.

But let us never forget that in his heart of hearts Manny Steward was a fight trainer from Detroit. The following is a verbatim quote. "He's standing there with his head like this, and you're doing this ****. Get after him, F*****! ... Get this mother****er out of here 'fore you **** around and get caught with some crazy ****" Which is really, really good advice.

 

Yeah, I wasn't impressed with Abel either, for what it's worth.

 

The thing with Rooney wasn’t that he was particularly great it’s just that he had been part of a team that had developed Tyson and he was able to go over the same routines and follow the format. We have all seen film where Tyson is training to the recorded voice of Cus under Rooneys supervision.

People like to say Tyson was different without Rooney but Rooney had took him as far as Tyson was going to go.

Tyson was an amazing talent but his faith was such in what he had been taught that Douglas was able to make him look like a very advanced but ultimately programmed fighter.

 

Arcel said he was not the chief second for that fight and therefore did not have the authority to stop the fight.

 

Holmes thought Cooney had the potential to be champ.

 

I never rated Duva.He was just a loudmouthed cheer leader,imo

 

Cooney himself has said this.He never got the chance to learn by facing progressively better opponents,his head was stuck up like a lamp post.Vale loved him ,but mollycoddled him and never let him improve.

 

I believe alot of people felt that way about him. To be fair he did have good coaches working alongside him to help the fighters , eg, George Benton , but I know where you are coming from. He was no use to his fighters from a technical standpoint.

 

Foreman said later that Clancy wanted him to become more of a finesse-type fighter, and got him off the heavy training - chopping wood, towing cars, heavy bag, etc - and had him work more for quickness and speed. Foreman said he basically got bored with that and missed the feeling of getting pumped from a heavy workout, so went back to his old style of training.

 

Actually when George was planning his comeback Clancy was the first guy he wanted back to train him. According to Clancy he told George if he really is serious about having him coach him again Gil said he will come and take a look at him but warned that if he thought George didn’t have it no more he would tell him to his face. Clancy said George never called him back because he knew he would have been rejected. So that was the only reason George selected another team around him for his comeback. Otherwise it was going to be Clancy again.

Personally I think George was his own great est matchmaker in his own right. He always knew his limitations. It probably was best Foreman did things the way he did in the comeback,