Fighters who underachieved

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  1. clum

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    Ronnie Harris: blisteringly fast middleweight and Olympic gold medalist who never got his career back on track after dropping a close title fight to Hugo Corro in Argentina

    Nana Yaw Konadu: lost two fights to Sung-Kil Moon and then spent the next four years taking pointless fights in Spain before picking up another world title as soon as he returned to facing top opposition

    Chan-Hee Park: I don't know if he was cut out for the fifteen-round era, but he had only three fights in his career after dropping two close decisions against flyweight champ Shoji Oguma

    Harris and Park both had extremely successful amateur careers but somewhat unusual temperaments for pros, and neither really recovered from suffering their first losses against fighters they could have beaten. Park has openly stated that he had begun to find boxing boring (while a defending world champion). Konadu's career path is just bizarre and I have no idea what happened there.
     
  2. CharlieFirpo85

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    To name a few Heavyweights:

    Dokes, Page, Cooney, Witherspoon, Norton, Leon Spinks...Tyson ofc.
    all for different reasons
     
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  3. christpuncher

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    Hmm I don't know, I see someone who underachieved as someone who had the talent but lacked the discipline.
    It sounds harsh but Watson lost to Eubank and then was retired by Eubank, If he was much above that sort of level that wouldn't have happened.
     
  4. WAR01

    WAR01 In the 7.2% Full Member

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  5. red cobra

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  6. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well, I thought he was robbed blind in the first fight, and completely out-classing Chris before the eleventh in the rematch. He obviously schooled Benn as well. I think he was a clear level above Benn and Eubank, he was just very unlucky when fighting the latter.
     
  7. christpuncher

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    I thought the first Eubank fight was close. He beat Benn but he was really the only name he beat apart from Christie who wasn't all that.
    His career doesn't reflect him being levels above those guys.
     
  8. Titan1

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    Also had the wrong trainer.
     
  9. Titan1

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    Greg Page
    Howard Davis Jr.
    Bernard Taylor
    Tony Tucker
    Mac Foster
    Alex Ramos
    James Shuler*
    Bobby Joe Young
    Johnny Bumphus
    John Tate
    Johnny Verderosa.
     
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  10. Saintpat

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    There’s a big different between training/coaching and puppetry.

    The athlete has to want to be coached. Has to be willing to learn and change things that are comfortable but maybe not what’s best for them (in the long run).

    It’s like all the ‘if Tyson had kept Kevin Rooney’ crap — Tyson didn’t want to be coached by that time so he wasn’t going to keep around a trainer who wanted to make him work. He wanted to do what he wanted to do, and if Kevin Rooney had stayed around ... Tyson was going to do what Tyson wanted to do.

    And some just don’t take to or absorb coaching.

    You see a guy on TV with his left hand low and his chin high and a lot of people think (or say):

    ”They should tell him to keep his hand up and his chin down.” Like he’s made it this far and no one has noticed or thought of that?

    Telling an athlete to do something, showing them how to do it, explaining why to do it, berating them for not doing it — that does not always translate to them ACTUALLY doing it. And that doesn’t mean the coach was at fault; it often means the athlete was not coachable.
     
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  11. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Herol Graham
    Eubank Sr
    Howard Davis Jr
    Carl Williams
    Mark Breland
     
  12. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker Full Member

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  13. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Eubank won that first Watson fight quite clearly, and the official professional judges from America - who are better at judging than randomers, hence being paid well to do it - agreed. Chris out-classed Michael that night, especially the first five rounds (before severe dehydration kicked in for Chris).
     
  14. Pepsi Dioxide

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    Almost all of the 80s heavyweights minus Holmes. Tucker, Witherspoon, Page, Tate, Douglas, Tubbs, Cooney, Thomas....take your pick.
     
  15. Bulldog24

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    Biggs, Williams and Ruddock were each touted as the next big thing. Til Tyson scrambled their brains.
     
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