Fighters who were good - as long as they weren't fighting punchers

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  1. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What are some examples of fighters that had shaky records against big punchers, but outside of that were very good?

    The definitive example for this is probably Ken Norton, who gave Ali and Holmes hell and was one of the top contenders of his day, but suffered embarrassing early KO losses to Foreman, Shavers, and Cooney.

    Bobo Olson would also be a leading example for this IMO. In a way, he was rather like the middleweight version of Norton. He had an impressive peak as MW champion and compiled a very good resume, which includes HOFers like Randy Turpin, Kid Gavilan, and Joey Maxim(twice). However, he was crushed by Archie Moore in a challenge for the LHW title and was twice blown out by a comebacking Ray Robinson who most people figured to be an easy fight for Olson at that stage of their careers. He later earned distinction as a LHW contender for a number of years, but was KO'd by Doug Jones and Jose Torres (in 1 round).

    Speaking of Torres, I've always felt his management kept him away from big punchers. The first (and probably only) time he fought a real one-shot KO artist was against Floro Fernandez, and he was blown out by him. The next biggest puncher he fought was probably Dick Tiger, and he lost twice to him. He earned his LHW title shot by blasting out Olson and then won the title by clobbering Willie Patrano - both of whom were definite non-punchers.

    I've always thought Pipino Cuevas' ability to handle punchers was questionable as well. He tended to ignore defense and ate right hands like candy, but he didn't fight too many (if any?) truly big punchers until he ran into Hearns and was duly crushed. He was also KO'd rather early by another of the harder hitting fighters he fought in Duran.

    Perhaps Hector Camacho qualifies for this as well? He did outclass JL Ramirez, but against Rosario he fought ultra tentatively and just did enough to make the fight close. In other fights against solid punchers like Chavez, Tito, and DeLaHoya, he did nothing other than just back away or hold.




    What might be some other examples?
     
  2. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Jermain Taylor. :good

    Three biggest punchers he fought all knocked him out in devastating fashion.
     
  3. Tin_Ribs

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    I'm not the definitive expert on him, but I'd say that Tippy Larkin qualifies here.
     
  4. leverage

    leverage Active Member Full Member

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    ken norton. He failed miserably when he fought big punchers (foreman, shavers, cooney). If he fought frazier he would have lost.

    It is because of this that I can't classify him as an all-time great (very good though).
     
  5. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  6. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Michael Moorer at Heavyweight he was good but would might have been great if he had a better chin. Frank Bruno,Tommy Morrison,Herbie Hide(at Heavy),Tim Littles,Augie Sanchez(would have been great but had glass jaw) those ones come to mind but I know I can think of a lot more,thats just of the top of my head.
     
  7. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :goodyou win
     
  8. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good picks.
     
  9. Tin_Ribs

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    It's more a case of what I've read than seen. Tiger Flowers is another in this regard; several of his losses were by KO, to Kid Norfolk etc
     
  10. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    terry downes didn't think pastrano was a non-puncher.after angelo dundee had one of his famous pep talks with willie at the end of the 10th.
    50 odd years later, the thought that olson would have a chance against archie moore looks ludicrous.
    of course ,i'm biased ,but had the real randy turpin got in the ring with olson he'd have taken him out insde 5 rounds,but.......he wasn't and he didn't
     
  11. My2Sense

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    Keep in mind though, Olson had looked very impressive beforehand against Maxim and had him down a few times. Meanwhile, Moore hadn't looked so good in his previous title defense (a come-from-behind KO of Harold Johnson), was around 40 years old and reportedly struggling hard to make the weight. There was reason to believe Moore might be ready to be taken at that time.
     
  12. Tin_Ribs

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    Aye, Randy blew a winnable fight against Bobo that night. And Pastrano was struggling like billy ho with Downes, who gets sold slightly short sometimes these days.

    I'll not say that Curry struggled with big punchers, but strong aggressive types troubled him much more than boxer types. Same thing for Cotto and Tszyu.
     
  13. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Seemed to me as if Bobo Olson had a solid chin until Moore KO'd him. I don't think he ever got up from a knockdown after that.

    Olson actually stated before the fight that he would beat Marciano after beating Archie Moore.
     
  14. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMYnbBY0nAI[/ame]
     
  15. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    He never proved himself against non-punchers, either.

    Floyd Patterson would fit somewhat to the criteria of this thread, though he did quite well against Bonavena late in his career.