Fighters who were good at handling pure boxers and technicians but struggled..

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  1. a05bf1aa

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    Ken Norton is the first man that springs to mind.
     
  2. Casamayor122

    Casamayor122 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You're basing too much on 1 off night Tszyu had. Pendelton lasted 10 rounds (TKO) against the same Phillips a few months later and he was not a durable boxer. It was just a bad night. As for Hatton he was a C level hometown boxer for whom they had to invent a new set of rules so he can become a world champion and not get DQ every time he steps into the ring. Hatton just tired a 36 year old Tszyu out with his incessant wrestling not to mention that he was dropped by a body shot with his hometown ref stepping in as usual. Try watching the fight without sound next time :good With a proper ref a 36 year old Tszyu knocks him out inside 5 rounds.
     
  3. Flea Man

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    I made a point about Mijares on a thread over on the General today where I said a certain type of aggressive fighter would cause him severe issues but that he had the right balance of fluidity and awkwardness to pose a lot of good stylists/technicians severe problems.

    He did handle Arce well though, but that doesn't mean Moon wouldn't beat him senseless inside five rounds :lol:

    so, as Russell said, potentially Mijares. Cermeno seemed one-route pressure wise but Mijares couldn't pull it off (admittedly have only seen the rematch) but Mijares couldn't pull it out. I still can't figure out how Vic beat him, Mijares seemed so perfectlly equipped.

    Vic was on fire that night and although young, that may have just been the end of a series of top wins for a young guy with nearly 50 fights if I'm not wrong.
     
  4. Flea Man

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    To the above poster, was it the wrestling that made Tszyu **** blood?
     
  5. Tin_Ribs

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    Thanks for the patronisation squire. The Pendleton analogy could confirm my viewpoint as much as yours if anything by way of showing that Phillips wasn't all he was cracked up to be. I've watched the Phillips and Hatton fights (with and without sound) a number of times and my conclusions ain't changed, even though Hatton was very limited himself. Even other limited fellows like Urkal and Tackie were able to put Kostya in boxing mode, rather than the typical stalking aggressive style he usually employed.

    Kostya was one my favourite fighters when he was active, but I'm not blind to his shortcomings, particularly that he had average stamina and didn't like to pushed back by strong opponents who weren't about to stand there and let him tee off with that murderous right hand.

    Cheers ;)
     
  6. Casamayor122

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    I remember after the fight a lot of people saying that he was pissing blood, had bruises on his brain and blood clots, broken nose and jaw etc. on the brink of death really :lol:. I also remember that all of their posts ended with words like mate, I reckon, bloody hell (and no they were not Australians). Hatton doesn't know how to box. He wrestles and then rabbit punches or wrestles pushes the head down and fires a body punch (which is funny because it was the thing Lazcano was warned about when he had Hatton out on his feet and then the laughable 2 minute retying of shoes laces when Hatton wouldn't budge from the corner at the signal from the ref to resume the action)
     
  7. Tin_Ribs

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    You're digging yourself in deeper. If Hatton had tried those tricks with even the old versions of Duran, Williams or Chavez, he'd be winning Stephen Hawking lookalike contests by now. If Tszyu was as infallible as you say, he'd have done the same thing to Hatton. But he couldn't, and didn't.

    Tszyu needed time and space to operate. End of. He was out of his comfort zone when people pushed him back, however limited or dirty their tactics were.
     
  8. lefthook89

    lefthook89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    all the people that mention wlad, golota, and norton i agree with.
     
  9. Casamayor122

    Casamayor122 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Please at least spare me the bull**** squire that you are a fan of Tszyu. What about Lennox ? Knocked out cold by C level Rahman and McCall, almost knocked out by Briggs, looked like **** against Vitali, life and death struggles with Mercer, Mavrovic, Bruno etc. best win was 37 year old Holyfield. I bet you have good explanation. No I'm not a hater of Lennox but a fan. He was just a good example beacuse you're from Britain. My point is that I can do the same about other great fighters as well. Your threads and posts dissing Tszyu are quite pathetic. Who is a greater boxer Tszyu or Zarate?
     
  10. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    :huh
     
  11. Casamayor122

    Casamayor122 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tackie is a really bad example because Tszyu used him as a punching bag for 12 rounds (compare the life and death struggle Hatton had with him). Urkal and Tackie are really limited but you consider Alan Rudkin a good boxer? Alan Rudkin? Seriosly?
     
  12. Casamayor122

    Casamayor122 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm just using biased(read hater) logic Beeston to prove a point that I can find faults with every boxer. Lennox is a lock TOP3 HW of All time.
     
  13. Mantequilla

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    What's wrong with Rudkin?.

    I mean fair enough if you don't rate him i suppose, but in comparison to a truly unskilled plodder like Tackie?.That's just downright insulting.
     
  14. Beeston Brawler

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    Hatton didn't struggle life and death with Tackie mate.

    You need to watch it again..... Tackie was always in there and competitive, it was a bit like Kessler vs Andrade - but there was only one winner.
     
  15. Tin_Ribs

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    This isn't the general forum sunshine, so don't start. It's obviously not me who the problem with a fighters nationality.

    Tszyu fought world class competition from about his 7th or 8th fight on if I remember rightly, was a two time champion who unified a solid division and came back from a bad defeat to attain dominance. Rare in this day and age. He was a boxer puncher of technical excellence, possessing an innate sense of distance and timing that were complimented by his punching power and accuracy. He looked good against Mitchell x2, Judah, Gonzalez, Ruelas, the very old Chavez, Mayweather, Rodriguez, Bramble and a number of others. But like other very good fighters before him, he had his shortcomings, as is apparent to anyone except myopic herberts like yourself. I wasn't dissing him, I'm just not about to kiss his arse.

    Good enough for you?

    And what the **** has Lewis got to do with Tszyu? He got caught cold against two big hitters who he subsequently beat up in rematches. Tszyu got beat up by two average fighters who bad stylistic foils for him and didn't have a rematch in either case.

    Thanks for playing though.