Fighters who were scum

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  1. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Even if you're right ( anything is possible) , where did you hear this from ?
     
  2. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    The place I heard those accusations from is here. Someone claimed “Dempsey was paid to break in virgins at the brothel” and someone else said “well Tyson did that too, for free”

    I’ve heard about him bouncing at the brothel, but I have not heard those accusations elsewhere. I figured (and also hope) it’s probably just made up.

    Jim Brown had a similar incident. He was suspected of tossing his girlfriend off a balcony.

    Both he and her claim she fell. It might be true, but his history is not exactly one that inspires confidence in giving him the benefit of the doubt.
     
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  3. Kid Bacon

    Kid Bacon All-Time-Fat Full Member

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    The "mutual fall" was a fairy tale concocted by Monzon's defense.

    The investigation determined Mozon strangled his wife and throwed her from the balcon, jumping afterwards in order to build his alibi.
     
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  4. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great fighter maybe but a vile, nasty human being he most definitely was.
     
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  5. Totentanz.

    Totentanz. Gator Wrestler Extraordinaire banned Full Member

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    I heard the accusations on another old forum post, but I wouldn't bet on them being correct. Spent a good half an hour the other day looking around for any evidence and the only thing that I could find relating to that was another forum post with a similar, uncredited claim, and the parody Wikipedia page that likely started this. I'm assuming that someone read a bit of the page, took it as serious, and then ran with it, pretty much just as I did.
    Always gotta factcheck stuff in this day and age.
     
  6. Turnip mk3

    Turnip mk3 Active Member Full Member

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    Trev had it coming !!
     
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  7. Totentanz.

    Totentanz. Gator Wrestler Extraordinaire banned Full Member

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    Holmes dropkicking Berbick is still one of my favorite boxing related things, ever.
     
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    Turnip mk3 Active Member Full Member

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    Shaun Cummings. British light middle weight and total nutter. Met a sticky end
     
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  9. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That video is amazing. The way Berbick is in a screaming stupor & then you hear a scream, the camera swivels, & Holmes appears out of the darkness like the Cloverfield monster. Glorious.
     
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  10. Totentanz.

    Totentanz. Gator Wrestler Extraordinaire banned Full Member

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    He's going on about, "Larry Holmes kicked me, punched me in front of everybody-", and Holmes shows him that he'd do it again, no hesitation, lol.
     
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  11. The one

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    lol oh, I remember this.
     
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  12. Anubis

    Anubis Boxing Addict

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    During the late 1960's, Sonny was at least lauded for his kindness and love towards children. Over the last four decades though, Liston would be excoriated savagely and suspected as a pedophile for that.
     
  13. Totentanz.

    Totentanz. Gator Wrestler Extraordinaire banned Full Member

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    Sometimes I get looked at weird cause I'll talk to kids like they're human beings, and I'm sure that Liston would've had it much worse. People are just less outwardly genuine nowadays.
     
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  14. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The amount of cognitive dissonance required for sports star worship on such a level that Sonny Liston of all people is viewed as a good person is staggering.
     
  15. Totentanz.

    Totentanz. Gator Wrestler Extraordinaire banned Full Member

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    Out of everything that Liston was involved with, what makes you believe that he wasn't a good person?