Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by McGrain, Jul 3, 2021.
Larry Holmes as a teenager when he was 170 lbs.
Maske, I say.
Otherwise, Wilder. He would KO all those wharf brawlers in one or two and have plenty of time to chill.
My cat Canelo can take your kitty.
Really big on Archie Moore in this thread. His pacing was really something and he just was so relaxed in the ring.
I thought i might have seen Carlos Monzon mentioned. He could make opponents fight at his own pace and was seldom hurried or tense in there. He was another that extremely relaxed in there.
Personally i think Michael Spinks at 175 would adapt extremely well to 25 rounds. He went 15 easily against two top fighters in EMM and a top pressure fighter in Qawi (even if Mustafa was weight drained). Even at heavyweight (talking heavyweight to validate his claims at 175 even further LOL) he went 15 twice against Holmes in fights where he had to expend plenty of energy fighting the much bigger man and he didn't even acclimatize to the weight with warm up fights. He was a notoriously slow starter at 175 and besides a great jab he had the enormous power to stop guys taking too many liberties or forcing him out of his comfort zone for too long. He had a great chin at 175 too.
Sanchez was a great mention and there was quite a bit of science in his training. It was said his training strategies had him where he could spar 5 minute rounds and then have his heart rate return to normal by the 45 second mark.
''His body's metabolism helps him,'' explained Jose Luis Valenzuela, a doctor who forms part of the four-man team that looks after Sanchez. ''In his prime, he has a recovery time of just 47 seconds, which means that his arterial pressure, pulse and respiration return to normal in the one minute's rest between rounds. As a result, he comes out fresh in the later rounds when his opponent is already tiring.''
Didn't believe in weights either - He emphasizes suppleness over strength -''I don't lift weights because it stiffens and slows the arms,'' he says - and his tall slim body has none of the rippling muscles common among American boxers.
Where i am heading is that i also believe Eusebio Pedroza is a good candidate too. He was a noted old school long range specialist who eve as he aged usually outshone much younger opponents in the championship rounds. I think he'd do well.
I'm also pondering guys like McCallum, Chavez and Whitaker to a lesser extent.
If we are talking about 25 round fights, are we talking about the gloves they wore then as well? And the same understanding of the rules?
Because if you are, things like "work rate" and "volume punching" are irrelevant.
You replace them with things like punch accuracy and placement. And "clinching" becomes knowing how to grab your opponent in such a way that you expend nothing while he tires himself out.
That right there disqualifies just about every fighter of the last 30 years.
The question of accuracy and placement is bigger than you think...you hear all the time "body" and "head."
It used to be "on the heart", or "under the last rib", or "above the left eye."
Smaller gloves and a greater focus on purpose.
When you are going to fight for more than double a modern championship fight, you had best be alert to those things.
The fighters are going to have to adjust to it no matter the case ,, ,I like the fighters who I think can fight in any era and have the best all around game with an engine... I like Hagler
Roy Jones Jr. 160-175
I'd put forth someone like Brian Mitchell. Absolutely proven over 15. He got better and better in the championship rounds, never fading but only getting stronger.
Rock solid chin too.
My only reservation was that he became cut prone after about 1989 or so, but the Mitchell before that was a machine. Hot climates didn't bother him at all either, nor fighting at altitude.
I think he'd be fine over 25...
I think Juan LaPorte is a really interesting mention by @Saintpat because it's an example of a non-ATG who might have become one in a different era that benefitted his style more.
I mentioned Vince Phillips!
Pedroza in his later years had changed into a new sort of style. In his earlier title defences, he seems to be more or the archetypical out-boxer, who used his height and reach much, but he later turned into more a horrid, rough-and-tumble, grappling body puncher who liked to stay on the inside coz it was better for his legs. Obviously you have exceptions like the Ford fight, where he entered that 'Panamanian state of mind'. I think over twenty-five long rounds, he'd actually start to change his style over the course of the fight rather than his title reign and in the late rounds, that would be frightful. Imagine having no chance at him for fifteen long rounds coz of how good his movement and jab were, then when you start to get closer, you're met with grinding body shots, headbutts, lowblows, elbows, otherworldly endurance and some great head-movement in the pocket. It'd be a nightmare. Especially if he isn't forced to make 126, so would be at LW.
There we go. Mitchell would have been terrifying over 20 or 25. He often started slow but by the time the later rounds rolled around he'd worked his opponent out and would lead them into traps, counter their work, use body sway to negate their offence and generally be a nightmare with his constant jab and varied attack. He was like the energiser bunny.
Here's a sample of what he could do
He'd certainly be a tough opponent under the different circumstances.
Saddler would do well in any era. Any ruleset and any type of gloves. Amazing, Amazing fighter.