fighters who you think are paper champs

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by IRONSENSE2002, Apr 12, 2013.


  1. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

    53,088
    6,684
    Sep 8, 2010
    Anyone who isn't lineal is technically just a paper champion. And even the lineages can and should be disputed... Afterall, everyone can agree or disagree with the debate over whatever fight produces a "lineal champ," as one doesn't have to agree with any particular ranking system.

    No way is Garcia a legit champ after the Khan fight as neither were even among the top 2 in the division (Matthysse and Peterson; and Bradley if he wasn't quickly swept out of the rankings after one fight at WW and much less than a year since last fighting at JWW).

    YPH is not after The Ring booted out Huck to allow YPH/Cunningham for the title. It was hypocritical to previous actions/rankings to remove Huck after one voyage to HW when he said he would likely return to CW and his activity in the division didn't warrant him exiting the rankings.

    Wladimir is questionable since Vitali was the clear #2 over Chagaev. I understand the Rings' long stance of "unless undeniable circumstances prevent it," and I don't think the K bros should fight. But Chagaev had no right to be in a contest for the lineal title.

    Salido vs. Mikey bypassed John, who was at the very least much higher ranked on merit and accomplishment than Mikey was entering that fight.



    Which would mean that the only "true non-paper titlists" are: Chad Dawson, Andre Ward, Sergio Martinez, Nonito Donaire, and Akira Yaegashi.

    I think a realistic way of figuring it out would be to personally decide who the best fighter in the division is, and to consider them "champion" since the sanctioning bodies and Ring magazine clearly have no intent on deciding that.
     
  2. The Spider

    The Spider Guest

    Geale lives in Australia. He is Australian :patsch
     
  3. klimting

    klimting ???? Full Member

    1,629
    19
    Nov 23, 2008
    Nathan Cleverly.
    Case closed.
     
  4. zxcvbnm

    zxcvbnm #TeamHWFuture Full Member

    4,245
    4
    May 29, 2010
    He's not even the worst paper champ at 175.
     
  5. Tyler-Durden

    Tyler-Durden Boxing Junkie banned

    11,190
    1
    Mar 24, 2010
    Khabib Allakhverdiev is a paper champ.
     
  6. Brownies

    Brownies Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,776
    8
    Aug 16, 2010
    I'd say Guillermo Jones has been hiding with his WBA cruiserweight belt long enough. Lebedev is gonna take care of that soon enough.

    Edit : for those who don't know, he's had the belt since 2008 and defended it 3 times in 5 years. No defenses in 2009 and 2012.
     
  7. foleywba

    foleywba Guest

    Cleverly, Alvarez, Malinaggi, Povetkin and Golovkin stand out for me. But being a paper champ is subjective, it can be argued people like Hopkins and froch are paper champions, but due to fan preferences they aren't really considered so.
     
  8. Txomo

    Txomo Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,194
    130
    Jul 19, 2012
    JCCjr was the paper champion example at MW.
     
  9. knockout artist

    knockout artist Boxing Addict banned

    6,846
    9
    Sep 24, 2011

    I love Froch, but he is and always has been a paper champion, he's never been the best in the division. Andre Ward is the current SMW champ, Kessler, Stiegtliz and Froch are paper titlists
     
  10. MrPR

    MrPR Boxing Junkie Full Member

    13,193
    24
    Mar 23, 2009
    Austin Trout and Canelo Alvarez are both paper champs if we really want to be honest .

    Alvarez best win is against a terribly shot Sugar Shane . No way he gets credit for that win .

    Trout best win is a close fight against a Lackluster Cotto who fought on his c game and still manage to win 5 rnds .

    Both fighters are unproven im my eyes .
     
  11. MrPR

    MrPR Boxing Junkie Full Member

    13,193
    24
    Mar 23, 2009
    Yes , another fine example .
     
  12. BagsWithDust

    BagsWithDust Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,734
    1
    Dec 18, 2009
    i dont think paulie is a paper champ, he went oversees and beat senchenko easily. i think he earned his belt...

    paper champ for me canelo, unless he beats trout
     
  13. MrMagic

    MrMagic Loyal Member Full Member

    39,534
    71
    Oct 28, 2004
    Thats not Trout's fault, Trout beats any version of Cotto.
     
  14. The Spider

    The Spider Guest

    Will you rate the winner of Trout vs Canelo a real champ? If not, who does the winner have to beat before you do rate them?
     
  15. Hamas

    Hamas Active Member Full Member

    659
    0
    Aug 21, 2011
    :-( How? he beat guzman, and is trying to fight the best at 140, not his fault he got injured