Fighters whose skills regressed since their amateurs days

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  1. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Watching Junior Fa's fight against Devin Vargas I couldn't understand how this guy was able to beat Arslanbek Makhmudov in the WSB 7 years ago:
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    Well, you can say Makhmudov might be overrated, and you'll be probably right - he doesn't cut the ring well, he is very slow on his feet etc. But you need a pretty good footwork to make him fell uncomfortable - something that Fa had in his amateurs days and seems to completely "forget" now.

    And if you'll say Makhmudov is overrated or Fa's style was just wrong for him, what about Fa's rivalry with Joseph Parker? Fa went 2-2 vs future WBO heavyweight champion. So Fa was pretty good (though not elite) amateur, but looks really poor as a pro.

    The same can be said about Olympic champion from Russia Egor Mekhontsev. He was an excellent amateur, but looked very poor in the pros and finally retired from boxing never achieving anything serious.

    Who else? Rakhim Chakhkiev, although in his case it was a glass jaw that betrayed him more than regress of skills
     
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  2. notjustacasual

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    Audley Harrison

    12 rounds seemed to give him far too long to think.
     
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  3. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, good call. Forgot about him
     
  4. f1ght3rz

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    I think it comes down to training and effort.

    You're an Amateur boxer, you're nothing. You're training your ass off and you're not receiving any big cash. He was way younger back then aswell. It's different time line.

    Now he's a pro boxer, 30 years old, undefeated, fighting and living in the US (as far as i know)...

    I also think Fa became a father a couple of years ago. Might be another factor. You've got a family. You're probably not fighting like in the Amateur days.
     
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  5. Scorpion

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    Khytrov. I thought he was a blue chip prospect, i turned out to be so wrong.
     
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  6. Serge

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    Korobov left his best years in the amateurs. Like Loma, Beterbiev, and many of these other EE and Cuban elite amateurs with very extensive amateur careers, he should've turned pro four years earlier. Korobov was one of the best amateurs I've ever seen. Even Shane McGuigan was saying the other week that Korobov was one of the fighters he used to study.
     
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  7. Big Ukrainian

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    Good calls guys! Another one is my countryman Ismail Sillakh. His glass jaw might be the main factor why such an accomplished amateur failed to reach his potential as a pro, but his skillset deinitely didn't develope since his amateurs days (to say at least). One could think he would learn how to defend himself from an overhand right after brutal KO loss to Beterbiev in the amateurs, but be got hit with those punches over and over again in the pros.
     
  8. Angler Andrew

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    Real shame, still doesn’t give em the right to use him as a name and stuff him on the cards.Makes my blood boil.
     
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  9. Scorpion

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    Korobov always had stamina issues, even in the ams which is ridiculous for an elite amateur.
     
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  10. Angler Andrew

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    Eubank Jnr would have to be an example of someone who never improved his game from just being bloody minded and not breaking away from Dad.I mean he must of had something to start with as I can’t believe he just fooled everyone?Sparring stories with Froch,close fight with Saunders to the guy who looked so basic against Grovess.
     
  11. Tramell

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    Skills and physique of Roy Jones Jr is the worst case I can think of in terms of a guy who regressed. Started out muscular, next to no body fat. Skill wise, reflexes were monstrous. By the middle of his career up to the end of it, no head movement, no fancy footwork, leans on the ropes for defense, thats not skill. His physique gone.
    Unlike Hopkins the prime example- he was never muscular rather lean, yet in his 50th year of living his ability to move still there. Not great, but good. No belly fat even though he gained weight in his 40s moving up to 175.
     
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  12. Big Ukrainian

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    Another one is Odlanier Solis, although in his case you can easily see the reason of his decline while looking at his belly
     
  13. Serge

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    Yeah it's weird. He's 0-1-1 in his last 3 fights albeit it should be 2-0-0 but if his stamina wasn't so shitty and he didn't fade in the second half of fights he would've won via shutout in both of them.
     
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  14. Serge

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    Yeah. The guy hadn't fought anyone with a pulse in four years going into the Jermallo fight, was desperate for and in desperate need of a break, and then when he finally got one a few weeks shy of his 36th birthday he got robbed in back to back fights. He's such a nice guy too.

    Ring Magazine article from last year

    'I'm a Beast and I'm Stuck in a Cage''

    He is 35, and while you can say age is just a number, it would be wrong to not acknowledge that even in today’s world, 35 isn’t young for a fighter.

    Even with supplements and the most judicious of training regimens, a person’s athletic peak, physically speaking, is likely in the rear view mirror at 35. So one can understand and sympathize with how 28-1 super middleweight Matt Korobov is feeling on this day.

    “My career in the last year is almost nonexistent,” he told The Ring. “I am super frustrated! I am not a big name. I am super dangerous. My background is stellar — 338-12 lifetime. My skills are superb. So I think people don’t want to fight me because until I am a bigger draw, it’s tough to get big fights. Chicken before egg type stuff. Even if I got some decent fights in undercards the the public can watch, that would help. We have reached out to all the big promoters with zero response. I could make some of those guys some serious money; I have a lot left in the tank. That’s also very frustrating. Bottom line is I’m a beast and I’m stuck in a cage! It’s real tough to get out; I’m not even sure how to get out. Just need couple of decent fights and I believe I should have a belt or belts.”

    Korobov was on the ascent, then stumbled in getting stopped by Andy Lee in 2014. He’s fought four times since. Korobov beat Scott Sigmon in 2016 and last gloved up on March 24, 2018, vs. Jonathan Batista.

    He spoke of the ups and downs in the past year …

    “Training and my team and family (wife, son, plus his mom and dad live with him in Florida) have been the best part of the last year. The downs have been being so close to a good fight. David Benavidez I believe wanted the fight. I respect him for taking the fight (which was supposed to happen in July). He is young and made some mistakes, but that comes with being young and that’s why the fight didn’t happen. It was very disappointing. David had two promoters, the deal was signed and the fight was going to happen. He is young; he made a mistake. (Benavidez was signed to Sampson Lewkowicz but accepted a deal with Top Rank while contracted to Lewkowicz, and then Lewkowicz protested, and the Benavidez-Top Rank marriage was scuttled.) He will learn from it. Unfortunately if affected my career. I don’t blame a young person for making mistakes. I made plenty of mistakes and still make them. So just an unfortunate situation.”

    How does he stay with chin up?

    “My family and amazing trainers and Charles Mooney help to keep me focused.

    “My main trainer, Mooney, is the guy who is like family to me. He has stuck by my side my entire career. He is basically working on standby, and by not having a fight he also hasn’t got paid. To sum it up, Charles Mooney is the man! No other trainer I know puts more heart into this game than Mooney. Matty Cerdone is another guy who is like a brother and has stuck by me through thick and thin.

    “It’s very trying at times. But I have a family to support and my boxing is the only way I can do that. I am the breadwinner. Problem is, if I don’t fight I can’t win! So that drives me everyday.”
     
  15. MarcelCerdan13

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    Fa was much lighter as an amateur, and I’ve seen reports of him having low iron and hemoglobin I’m the past, which would account for his horrific stamina.

    I will say that the version of Makhmudov he beat makes an early career Wilder look like a master technician.
     
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