Fighters winning titles and being called ATGs before they even get to 20 fights...

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  1. ellerbe

    ellerbe Rui Hachimura BABY Full Member

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    Gamboa > GRJ. Is GRJ whose best win is Jojo Diaz the best you could come up with? Even if you have GRJ better than Gamboa or Postol, it's not by much. Their resumes are pretty much identical, I favor Crawford's though, but wouldn't be mad if someone gave Loma the slight edge.
     
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  2. KeedCubano

    KeedCubano Member Full Member

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    Callum Johnson? Top 5 LHW.
     
  3. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot El gran campeón Mexicano Full Member

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    What about both
     
  4. KeedCubano

    KeedCubano Member Full Member

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    It's a good point, but your comparing an American HW who hasn't beaten everyone in his weight class to a Ukrainian LW, who has.

    HWs are better known, so better chance for a super fight.
    Loma has beaten the best LWs outside of Davis, which people do talk about, so less super fights.
     
  5. Odins beard

    Odins beard One of IsaL’s 1000 alts.... Full Member

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    That would be true boxing utopia.
     
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  6. bandeedo

    bandeedo quaecumque vera Full Member

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    for me it comes down to who they beat and how they beat them. im knowledgeable enough to see techniques, reaction times, speed, power, stamina, etc... and compare it to the packages in atg fighters ive watched across 45 years of following the sport. for example, i can see that loma has everything to make me confident he would be atg material in any era, probably at 130... but needs more fights.
    usyk may well be an atg cruiser, thats a debate for those that follow that division more closely, but he will never be an atg hw.
     
  7. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not to get into you guys back and forth I mean I like Crawford and he LOOKS the part but for a guy who was unified in 1 divison and undisputed in another he has the WEAKEST resume, Loma has beaten MORE champs in LESS fights and is closer to ATGness than Crawford imo.
    The Rigo win alone is better than Crawfords best so far
     
  8. Reg

    Reg Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A divisional ATG, not an overall ATG.
     
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  9. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lyakovitch was KOed by Helenius before Wilder.
    Harrison was KOed by everyone.
    Malik Scott...
    Molina is a part time boxer, C minus level at best.
    Arreola was going life and death with bums, was shot to pieces.
    I like watching Wilder, but his resume is ****.
    Fury is ok, but recently got beat up by 46 ranked guy.
     
  10. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Active Member Full Member

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    Well what if he clears out light heavy after becoming undisputed? Eleider Alvarez, Badou Jack, Zurdo Ramirez, Jesse Hart, hell, even Jean Pascal, Marcus Browne and Maksim Vlasov. There's a good selection there that'd seal his reputation as an ATG. Perhaps rematching Gvozdyk and Bivol too if that comes down the line. Maybe Callum Smith as well. With some of those picks and even half going up against him, that must go down as an ATG record.
     
  11. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Active Member Full Member

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    That's what I mean, thanks for clearing that up actually I could've mentioned that.
     


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