Fighters with better defense than Mayweather - past and present

Makes no sense at all man. You can barely have a conversation with Pernell where he's retaining half of what he just told you man.

 

Floyd took a few shots but Pernell got out right ass-whoopings in rounds that effected him permanently. This isn't even arguable man. It's just sad. Than you read **** like up above.

 

all these guys have been dropped.

 

I thought Breland was one of the greatest NYC Amateurs ever. Far beyond Judah.... I know New Yorkers who would disagree with that.

 

George, that's all well and good, but has absolutely nothing to do with the threads topic or your ability to reply to it.

From my perspective, to answer to question as to who in history has a better defense than Floyd, you would have to (duh) look into the history of boxing in order to properly answer that. It's called research and while it's fair to comment on guys who were injured in the boxing ring, I think you also have to look at their comp relative to Floyds to get a complete picture.

 

This thread is just plain stupid. How I got sucked into in the first place is a mystery.

 

Not the question I was answering. Their competition relative to Floyd will always be in question. Is JCC to PW what JLC is to Floyd? Is ODLH to PW what MM I is to Floyd. Can't make these assessments through eras but I can look at the end result of the body of work. What's left is a boxers record, health and wealth if there is any.... Also research is fine but over the last 4 decades, how many bouts have you been to? How many trainers have you worked with and learned from? What championship pedigree has been in your boxing gym that you were able to access? You can research all you want but research what? I look at the 3 days I was God Blessed in high school to train and work with Eddie Futch at the south Central L.A. Boys club. I look at the times I was able to go to the Y and learn to jab from Archie Moore. Or as an adult getting to join a boxing team that competes as amateurs and creates networking opportunity for the whole team. Research? That's fine but let me ask you, how can you make such definitive assessments on someone you don't know, never spoken to or sparred with ?
I guess the main thing to do is to learn about actual boxing... That way one can much better interpret what they are watching when it comes to fighter skill sets.

 

A lot of these great fighters have arguably better defense. Mayweather wasn't too defensive oriented back in his 130 days. He became much more defensively focused up at WW... A lot of these guys being mentioned didn't have the offensive diversity of Floyd but were able to showcase their defense more frequently (Locche, Winky, etc.).

When you factor in connects against and opponent connect percentage, along with opposition of 20+ former, current, or future champs and 5+ HOF'ers defeated... obviously Floyd is one of the greatest defensive boxers of all time. He also shows a diversity of defense (range measuring, leg movement, shell defense, head movement, inside fighting, so on and so on).

 

I don't believe he was more defensive minded at WW at all. I think it's easy to look at it that way based on the fact that his punches have a lot less impact at WW. And at 130lbs he was a lot more potent offensively... But at the present moment I can't think of anyone who consistently won fights for 18 years with defense. NOBODY!

 

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:rofl:roflatsch

 

did Floyd even fought quality boxers in his prime to even get a sens of his defense?

all I see of him is refusing fight 70 % of the time by running, the rest of it is moving dodging with the upper body - of course no one is going to hit you but at the same time you trade all your offense while doing it and make a **** fight