Fighters With Little To No Heart...

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Russell, Oct 9, 2009.


  1. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    bs tyson had big time huevos when he lost he took a beating like a man and many fighters would have fell down,an just accepted the loss
     
  2. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Unfair.

    Fenech was 3 fights into an ill advised comeback,was beyond shot after brutal KO's to Nelson and Grove and had no business fighting at 135 to begin with.He simply was a shell of the fighter he was and any half decent fighter would've beaten him that night.

    Jeff may be a **** but it was his corner that threw in the towel (which Fenech kicked out in disgust).

    He never lacked any balls himself.
     
  3. ramalinga

    ramalinga Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Silly post.

    Douglas on that night fought like an ATG. He didn't have the dedication to be an ATG, which takes consistency, but it took plenty of heart from Tyson to fight until he was gone.

    Lennox had no heart because a perfect flush shot knocked him out cold? Is heart no the ability to overcome temporary lack of consciousness? Lennox overcame adverstiy against tough fighters like Mercer, Briggs, Vitali.

    When has Wlad shown a lack of heart? Lack of engaging, yes, like against Iggy. But when Sanders knocked him down, he beat the count four times and wanted to continue. When he was blue in the face against Brewster, he told the ref he wanted to continue, until he was basically unconscious.

    Vitali no heart? Took on Lennox on 13 days notice, fought with his face hanging down and never gave an inch. Took on the WBC champ after four years of inactivity without tuneup. Qutting against Byrd took a lot of courage and intelligence, fighting through a torn rotator cuff can easily end one's career. Just look at Lacy after doing just that. Sometimes the more couragous thing to do is to keep the pride and macho bravado in check.
     
  4. Rubber Warrior

    Rubber Warrior Resident ESB Soothsayer Full Member

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    Every fighter has heart. It takes an exceptional man to step into a ring, half naked, with a trained professional looking to discombobulate him.

    I submit that boxing is a re-occurring gut-check, and that at different levels a given man may be disposed to pack it in when the tough questions are posed. But no fighter is bereft of heart and courage. No way.

    The very best, or perhaps a better term would be, of exceptional character, choose to carry onward in the face of uncertainty or even demise.
     
  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Davis didnt like to get in range ,all fighters have heart, some have it in abundance, some in particular fights ,then take the easier option in other fights,I think its that some are front runners.
     
  6. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I dont think anyone would pursue boxing if they didnt have some sort of heart. No matter how weak minded you might be it still takes a little something to get punched in the face.
    Fighters lose their desire to fight, and this is often construed as lack of heart. We've seen some of the toughest guys who have shown countless times they could take it as well as they could give it, just quit, give up or do something totally uncharacteristic to get out of a fight.
    It is at that time that a fighter needs to hang them up. No amount of money can change this mindset, and why you see fighters that can still draw million dollar paydays just stop fighting.
     
  7. Chinxkid

    Chinxkid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Is this what they mean when they say a fighter has or doesn't have a good heart for the game?
     
  8. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I think so. The will to win is stronger than the mighty dollar. It takes a lot of will to take the type of punishment Foreman took in his comeback.
    It took little desire to fight when Douglas stayed down after getting hit by that uppercut from Holyfield.
     
  9. Chinxkid

    Chinxkid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah, after a certain level, I don't think the terms, "guts", "heart", "courage", should even be in the conversation. I like "the will to win", I like "desire", I like terms like "washed up" and "cumulative effect" and "lost his will to fight". They make more sense in this context.