Fighters with the best records - in EVENTS

A debate about historical EVT's with two apprentice MEMber's, both vying for a place in the Main Event Mafia arty

I may very well sit back with some popcorn & a protein shake and view this incredible event unfold!

 

I think we need to establish some firmer criteria for scoring the event.

In boxing we score for clean effective punching, effective aggression, defence and ring generalship.

We need a parallel set of criteria for EVENT scoring.


A possible set of general principles:


- The event winner must be an underdog. (extra points for huge underdog)

- The Event winner must be ahead at time of stoppage
(Since BHop wasn't stopped by Pascal, how would this work ?)

-Event winner must be KD'd at least once. (Looking good again for BHop)

- A fighter can't win BOTH the fight AND the event

- Crowd reaction needs to be some sort of factor

- Extra EVT points for injuries. (The more serious, the more points)

- Some factoring of personalities. The EVT winner must be fan friendly.
(Extra points here if the actual winner is a ****).

-Some points added (or deducted) if EVT winner's wife is present and LOUD.

etc, etc, etc.

We could have an on-line database called EVTREC to keep track of events.



And we could have RING rankings for event winners, both by weight and lb for lb.


And since there would necessarily be some subjectivity here ( albeit, less than in real fight results) we could have several EVT title belts in each division.

 

"No quiero pelear..."

:deal

 

Underdog wise: I'd say you don't have to be an underdog however if you are then you are much more highly thought of. Your EVT win will be deemed more significant. The same with the knockdowns as well IMO.

EVNTREC is a must and should be formulated immediately, as should title belts.

I personally feel a fighter CAN win the fight and event all in one. See: Segura vs Calderon I

Crowd reaction, personalities and injuries are a definite - Great choice sir.

Ring rankings are a terrific idea, you may very well like to include you P4P list in the thread for P4P event winners as a start.


A myriad of great points from cuchulain here :good

 

This first criteria is not a necessity but generally applied toward great Event wins. Again, though, certain circumstances can allow for a favorite to also win the event. Similarly, sometimes a fighter can win an EVENT and the fight. But this is very rare, just like the flash EVT wins. An example of a favorite winning an EVT is Cotto vs Foreman in my mind. The bizarre "handicapping" by the ref allowed for Cotto to have to do more. He was overcoming unnecessary hurdles for a fight that was supposed to be stopped by a corner much earlier. It's not a great EVT win for Cotto, mind you, but it qualifies (It was one of the weakest ones of the year, granted). Also, I'm not sure on the odds of Dempsey-Tunney but this also because of the controversy and reffing allows for a huge Event Win for Dempsey. The crowds and populace are a small but real factor in determining EVT wins/losses. It was felt that Dempsey was screwed by the longcut, and when Tunney dropped Dempsey the ref counted immediately without Tunney needing to go in a neutral corner. This is an ATG Event winning contest, and because of it many think Dempsey in his prime would've beaten Tunney... because an aged one won the event.

Your second criteria is far too particular. You can lose fights on points and still win events (Marquez both fights). Many people must feel you've won, or would've won (Vitali EVT W Lewis). Decision EVT W can also happen, although that's where things get a bit more muddling. The distinction between controversy and Event Win haven't quite been worker out, but the Main Event Mafia is working the kinks out on that one. However, you can still do far greater than expected and win an event. Paulie changed the script on what Cotto was supposed to do and won the EVT. A great EVT win, possibly the best of that year.

I do think a fighter can win the fight and event. But it's very very rare. Like a flash EVT win. It's a conundrum that requires immense critical thinking. :deal

Crowd reaction is a factor. :deal

Injuries do further increase the legitimacy of EVT wins. Hence, Vitali over Lewis with half his face turn off his probably the 2nd greatest EVT win of this century.

I'm not quite so sure as to your other criteria examples. They're superficial, and while they have validity the main event mafia wants to stay scientific and objective. Hot wives and unlikeable fighters shouldn't be a factor, unless some sort of reaction helps validate such an event win! Maybe you're right. The team will debate this one and get back to you.

 

Ring entrance/dancing style/costume is a factor in every EVT, sometimes the deciding one.

 

I'll throw this one out there then:

Clottey EVT12 Pacquiao? :think

 

Froch EVT12 Abraham :yep

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Clear cut 100% correct.

Clottey has a good EVTREC ranking & rightly so.

 

I may have to rescind my recent analysis. :yep

 

Parachute man EVT7 Bowe
Parachute man EVT7 Holyfield

He's 2 and 0 and beat both fighters at the same time.

 

Bump - so much great event analysis spread accros several threads

 

I believe further exploration of whether referees may get the EVT is desirable. For instance, I would suggest that Joe Cortez has a clear EVT4 over Humberto Soto and Francisco Lorenzo and possibly an EVT12 over Marcos Maidana and Amir Khan (though some bitter Maidana fans maintain he won that particular event).

 

I'll re-post:


If I am right in believing this thread is 100% sarcasm, then I like it very much. I also loathe the "loser won the event" bollocks. Those people on here who said Shannon Briggs won the event against Vitali Klitschko after getting owned for every single nanosecond of the 12 rounds seriously need to be took out back and shot for the good of humanity.

 

Librado Andrade totally won the EVT against Lucian Bute in the first fight.
Terry Norris won the event two times against Luis Santana.
Holyfield won the EVT against Bowe in the first fight.
Foreman won the EVT against Holyfield.