Fighters with underated Tangibles and Intangibles

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  1. spud1

    spud1 HAWK TIME!!!! Full Member

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    Fighters who are good but dont get credited with certain aspecs of their fight game.

    I'll start us off with Joe louis counter punching.
     
  2. lzolnier

    lzolnier Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'll go with Adamek - adapting to opponents' strengths (eg., size, reach,) and weaknesses (eg., speed). Will to survive and win. Toughness, heart and cool confidence.
     
  3. spud1

    spud1 HAWK TIME!!!! Full Member

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    JCC is underated on here alot, his technique and fundamentals was very good.
     
  4. TommyV

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    Joe Louis' footwork is woefully under-rated. As for Chavez, defensively he was very under-rated. Duran too to a lesser extent [lesser because I think people recognise his defence more]. Leonard's punching power is probably under-rated and his finishing. Marciano's defence is under-rated aswell a bit.
     
  5. TommyV

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    Braddock is an under-rated puncher in my opinion, especially his right-hand but he just kept breaking it. Not saying he's a massive puncher, but I think he would hit harder than his record suggests.
     
  6. Lights Out

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    Oscar De La Hoya's Jab

    Ken Nortons and Floyd Pattersons body punching

    Alexis Arguello timing
     
  7. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Calzaghe: elite adaptive skills, Maidana: solid footwork, Ward: excellent skills at distance, Vitali: reflexes and elusiveness (rope-a-dope without a rope), Cintron: top level boxing ability, Canelo: counterpunching (the dude is a counterpuncher), Nishioka: top notch ring IQ, Pavlik: underrated ring smarts, Hatton: elite pressure skills (people don't give much credit for effective pressure which is a skill as much any any other, pressure fighters never get the proper credit).
     
  8. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    Ricky Hattons foot speed.

    Joe Calzaghe's inside game, footwork, ring generalship and ability to mix offense with defense.

    Carlos Monzons smarts and adaptability.
     
  9. spud1

    spud1 HAWK TIME!!!! Full Member

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    James Toneys power late in fights.
     
  10. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Arguello's boxing skill. One of my pet peeves is that every single thread I've seen on Arguello contained multiple posts where goofballs prattled on about Alexis "struggling with boxers." Reality is that Alexis struggled with one slick boxer one time, and handed the guy his ass in the rematch.
     
  11. rushman

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    Darchinyan's boxing skills.

    Everyone thinks he is nothing but a crude, one handed slugger. The fact is that he has extremely good boxing skills, and this was shown throughout his amateur career.

    He just doesn't use them much, because he is addicted to going for the big knockout.
     
  12. Squire

    Squire Let's Go Champ Full Member

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    People don't mention Wlad's experience enough, given that he is still considered 'prime'. A fighter with 58 pro fights without physical decline has a hell of an advantage over their opponents. Difference in experience is a huge facor in a Wlad-Haye fight that no one seems to bring up
     
  13. horst

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    :happy Darchinyan-Mijares was a 21st century masterclass.

    :-( He does not excel in any of these areas (weak inside game, decent footwork which often gets overrated, decent ring generalship which often gets overrated, and a weak defence).




    Anyway, my own suggestions would be:

    - James Toney's handspeed (see Barkley fight)

    - Manny Pacquiao's high-level skill in selecting and accurately landing the perfect, decisive punch vs a given opponent (see Morales II, Cotto, Hatton, Margarito etc)
     
  14. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    Carl froch boxing skills, pacs defense, lennox´ chin
     
  15. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    Tavoris Cloud's jab, footwork, ring generalship and ability to set the pace.