Fighters you dislike due to their fanbase.

Oh yeah fun fact about those people

Had a cruiserweight division existed in the 1930s, the average heavyweight would've been the same size as they are now. It just so happened that an "average" (lol calling a 6'2" 200lbs guy average) sized guy like Louis dominated the division, same as Schmeling and Sharkey.

So really, the "evolution" of heavyweight size isnt true

 

I dislike the fan bases rather than the fighter. I Can’t think of a fighter I truly dislike. I can dislike the notion about some fighters, the interpretation about a fighter, but never the fighter himself.

Even prince Naseem Hamed. I disliked his behaviour towards people and opponents but I cannot force myself to dislike his ability as a fighter. His fans, those that appreciated the parts I disliked, the dishonourable people celebrating dishonerable behaviour, was the stuff I disliked.

 

But that is compounded by the classicists who think only achievement and resume matters.

 

Oh yeah Luf. What do real life victories, titles and experience have on fantasy because of a guys size. Reality is soooo misleading.

 

So the dramatic changes in size in all other sports has no relevance on the heavyweight division in boxing?

 

Exactly mate.

That's why I would always pick Ivan Calderon to beat Dereck Chisora.

Calderon ruled his division for years. Chisora never got into the top 5 and lost every time he stepped up in competition. Just because Chisora is bigger is no reason to favour him over the more proven former champion.

 

What dramatic size changes? Basketball players have been the same height since the 80s (around the time it actually became relevant), Long distance runners have been the same height for ever, same with Tennis. Things like golf players can be whatever size

You mean SPECIFICALLY football and Strength comps? Which has, above all other sports, benefited from steroids? Especially when football didnt exist until recently (from a historical perspective), so the size of the proper athlete wasn't known? Nor the training methods, or equipment? Unlike boxing, which has existed since Greece's prime, and had millenniums of research? Besides, its common knowledge that size matters more in football and strength competitions rather than boxing


Not to mention that, when forced to use the same equipment, they become much more even grounded. If Jesse Owens had the same track, shoes and blocks that Bolt had, he'd be 1 stride away from Bolt's record. Paul Anderson would squat 800lbs for reps every day, barefoot, no belt, no knee sleeves, etc. Imagine if he had olympic weightlifting shoes, a belt, knee sleeves, etc. Eugene Sandow's 1 armed snatch is STILL unbeaten in his weight class. Now factor in steroids

But just for your question, no, other sport changes have no impact on boxing

 

So your saying that how big you are should be more important than who you beat? If that's so Primo Canera is the greatest heavy in history. Damn that Joe Louis for damn near killing him!

 

I'm not sure what medium you're reading this post on, or if English is your first language, but at some point something has gone wrong.

I'll have another go at showing you the message you quoted

"But that is compounded by the classicists who think only achievement and resume matters."

 

If you let a fighter's fanbase determine your opinion of them, that is some weak minded pettiness. This is a boxing forum, not high school.

 

One of the things that I’ve always hated with the boxing community is people using a fighter’s fan base as an excuse to dislike a fighter. Why does one’s fanbase have to affect your overall feelings towards the actual fighter? It’s the most childish, weakest attempt to have some sort of animosity. Judge the fighter, not the fanbase.

 

Tennis? Probably not the best example unless you know something I don't. There are like 4 guys in today's top 10 who are 6'6 or taller, and only 1 who is under 6'1. In the 60s, the best players included guys like 5'8 Rod Laver, 5'7 Ken Rosewell, etc. Most of the top pros were 6'0 or shorter.

And average weight has continued to go up in the NBA, even since the 1980s. Today's players look very different than even the 80s players (who looked very different from the 50s players).

Not even sure it makes sense to consider the pre-modern forms of combat the same sport as the boxing we know today, specially since we know that the sport changed dramatically in the 18th and 19th century, at the very least.

I've seen the tv experiment (which was crudely designed, unrealistic, and not something that would ever be taken seriously in any scholarly or scientific community), and I've read Epstein's psuedo-scientific thought experiment, and I just don't buy it.

 

Steroidssssssssss

The burden of proof is on you, also, don't forget the other things I listed


About boxing, take a gander:

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...red-to-tyson-furys-cruiserweight-skew.621973/