Fighters you dislike

The man was publically abused by a man that he had helped out in private. Himself and his family were abused as a result of Ali's harsh words ... if Frazier wants to hold a grudge, as much as I like Ali, I back him in his right to do so.

As 'funny' or 'innocent ribbing' or 'just to promote the fight' we hold Ali's words to be, the man's words carried power and like Uncle Ben said, "With great power comes great responsibility". Ali's words carried consequences for both himself and others ... Frazier's intense feelings are a justified consequence of such words. Sure, I'd love it if Frazier could just let it go ... but when you're publically abused with your family subjected to abuse as a result, especially from a man that you helped out, would you be so willing to let bygones be bygones?

 

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What I find pathetic, thoughtless and silly is the way Frazier pokes fun at Ali's physical well being right now. Saying he's proud of the fact that he contributed to his deteriation and current state. That is just plain ****ed up.

While I am not condoning Ali's behaviour and comments running up to the fights with Frazier. I actually think he was unnecessarily mean and definately crossed the line. However, this can to a small extent be attributed to the stupidity that youth and big ego's bring. Ali deeply regrets what he said, fraziers sons have forgiven Ali for his comments, even the late Eddie Futch commented that Frazier needs to let this go.

At Fraziers age he needs to realise that he is only hurting himself with his bitterness.

 

His words towards Frazier is probably the one thing I dislike about Ali. Sure, you can try and bug a guy to promote the fight but calling him an Uncle Tom, a sellout, a white man's champ and all that isn't right.
He called Frazier all that yet had no problem taking instruction from white trainer Angelo Dundee. I'm surprised no one ever called him on that

 

Agreed.

However, one could argue that it is the ugliness of karma ... whether Frazier is being childish or unreasonable isn't my place to judge. I would say, however, that the pride in Ali's condition shows no more maturity than Ali's words all those years ago, perhaps even less, considering that Joe has the benefit of greater life experience than the Ali that ushered those words.

 

I understand what you're saying. We reap what we sow.

I would just like to think that when I get to a certain age I will acquire more wisdom and understanding. I am not questioning his integrity and character, but I just think he is better than that. Hard headedness and pride have been the downfall of many great men. A man of Fraziers calibre needs to mellow and put things into perspective.

 

Sometimes the things that we need the most are easily seen by all but our very selves.

At the end of the day, Frazier's bitterness wouldn't stop Ali's notoriety and all-time status; and Ali's words didn't stop Frazier from having the greatest single win in all of history, IMO, considering the opponent and unique circumstances of the fight.

 

Jimmy Young

Just finished watching his fight with Foreman, it was a good win but he acted like a little *****, everytime Foreman would clinch him, Young would make the most ridiculous looking faces of outrage against one of Foremans tactics trying to get the referee to intervene and Young was constantly whining to the ref like a little girl.
Most of his complaints were non-existant and he made himself look like a complete twat with those constipated looking faces he was putting on.

I wish Foreman hadn't of paced himself so oddly and just bombed Young out of there within a round.....oh well.

 

Fireman Jim Flynn.

His headbutting against Johnson made Holyfield and Hopkins look like cherubs. And he was a vicious racist. Langford knocked him cuckoo out like three times. Thank you Sam. Another Boston great.

 

Wlad i think hes a tosser

 

Why don't you like Wlad?

 

vitali - if there is one person who i just love to hate it's him. was a truly ugly fighter with a rubbish jab and awful technique, immensly arrogant. and what a ***** after the fight against lewis to complain that his dreads cut him and all that...and after all that he expects to get a title shot after being out of the ring for so long

 

corrales - i hate to say this but i hated diego when he was alive have alot of respect for him but i just didnt like his way of gretting out of fights if he could ,his manner,and just being a twat to opponants.


ray leonard - i actually hate the guy i was bought into him being this amazing fighter who fought everybody but he never fought anybody that had no money to them.
his whole business was being crass ego guy who would politricks to get comebacks and fights which would make him the star of the show..it was all about him it was never about the other man just him...thats why i hate him he was just a man who made a business on how great he was...he practicly lost against hagler,was being outboxed by hearns in both fights and duran a natural lightwieght beat him like he was the smaller man.

i dont know how we rate him so highly. a good fighter but never fought the opponants at the right time.hearns was too young duran was too old and overwieght when he was in his wieght changing era,hagler was at the end of his career anyways...and actually ray never gave marvin rematch never gave ayron pryor a fight fought benitez WAY over the hill.

does anyone understand me on this.

 

We did, until this bit. A bit embarrassing really. "Hearns was too young, Duran too old". Yeah, that was Leonar'd fault too...as was the war with Iraq, Three Mile Island and the oil shocks of 1973.

 

Great. :good Vitali is quite possibly my least favorite fighter of all-time.

Chico pulled out of one fight, after Castillo for the second straight time, missed the contract weight. Chico looked like a fool when he missed the weight in his next fight, but there's nothing wrong with pulling out after the guy misses the weight for the 2nd straight time. Actually, what Castillo did in the 2nd fight was far worse when he and his team tried to manipulate the scales.

Benitez was 21 and probably in the prime of his career. He was never the most consistent guy due to his laziness, but he certainly was not past his prime. Saying he was WAY over the hill is ridiculous, to say the least.

It would've been nice if Ray fought Pryor, but a champion has no obligation (IMO) to fight the top fighters in the weight class below (or above) him. He has an obligation to fight the top fighters in his own division, which is what Ray did.

Duran was in his late 20s and in/near his prime. He was at his best at lightweight but it wasn't like Leonard made him jump 2 divisions to fight him. Duran had left 135 and fought a few times @ 147, and even dominated a world class welter in Palomino before splitting 2 fights with Ray.

There was actually talk and hope that the fight between Leonard and Hearns would come BEFORE September 1981. Dundee wanted to delay it to build hype, and also had Leonard fight Kalule at 154, probably to get Ray some more experience and confidence in beating a bigger guy, as Tommy was such a taller and rangy fighter.

Hagler was declining, but Leonard was at an equal disadvantage, or maybe even more of one, than Hagler. Leonard hadn't fought in 3 years, just once in 5 years, had a detached retina, and how much experience did he have against middleweights?