Fighters you think should not be considered great which are commonly accepted as by the majority.

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  1. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Eddie Futch ranked him joint top with Ali and Louis.
     
  2. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As a Heavyweight, Gene Tunney. He has a solid win and a close call win, over a shot Dempsey, in 10 round fights. Many have him in their top 10 Heavyweights of all time, and I have no idea why.
     
  3. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    good point, although that win against Arguello is regarded as so great and his other wins were so dominant, people have a hard time ignoring that. Dominance even against lesser guys seems to get guys points.
     
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  4. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Canelo has improved after fighting GGG. He got better. his dominance and experience went up considerably..
     
  5. ChrisJS

    ChrisJS Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Canelo
    Tyson
    Camacho
    Cotto
     
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  6. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Full Member

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    Well like I said he again waited for another fighter ( Jacob's) to get past it and it was still close then he choses a completely shot Kovalev. When the Kovalev fight looked like it might not work out Bivol offered to step in at either 168 or 175 and nothing but silence from Canelo. So he still goes after past it fighters just to claim a scalp and that's lame in my book. But yes he has looked better in his last 2 fights I'll give you that. I'm not gonna count the total mismatch against I believe a Turkish fighter?
     
  7. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Canelo and Tyson deserve it more than Camacho and Cotto, who looked like they could be great but came up short. Camacho was not an atg, but an atg performer.. I will give him that.
     
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  8. SwarmingSlugger

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    The Arguello "win" was a robbery.

     
  9. outtieDrake

    outtieDrake Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ah yes Zivic I forgot about him, you got me there, the guy with over 60 losses . Corbett was at the end of his career , the rest of the guys are double digit losses . Trying to pretend like you were around back then and you know who these guys were is silly. Lhw was at it's weakest you shouldn't try to let these guys records slide just because they were old fighters.
     
  10. outtieDrake

    outtieDrake Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Again they were guys that were beaten a lot. It's not impressive by today's standards. Guys back then fought a lot and we're run down by previous fights . You'd have guys who were koed a month earlier and then fighting again. Lhw was the division that the good fighters passed for hw. He was also beaten by a average boxer Solly Krieger. Too many bums got his number. He was a good boxer but not an all time great.
     
  11. clinikill

    clinikill Active Member Full Member

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    Plus he was on the cusp of beating Joe freakin' Louis until he got careless. Considering the significant weight difference, that is a great feat.
     
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  12. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Carlos Monzon is overrated
     
  13. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 52-0 banned Full Member

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    Biggest benefactor of the circular reasoning to do with Ali.

    If you give Ali a tough fight you must be great right because Ali is great?
     
  14. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 52-0 banned Full Member

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    Now forgive me for getting this wrong If it is the case.
    But did Louis not drain himself down so he didn't seem like a bully?
     
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  15. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Bergeron Avatar Club Full Member

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    Right, and even on its face, the Ali Effect seems pretty implausible. What are the odds that ATG fighters all happen to be born in the 70s, where they just happen to give a past prime Ali hard fights because they're all awesome?
     
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