Why would he take a '13.5 million reason to dive' when he gets paid either way and woulda made gazillions had he won? Im not buying that at all. Spinks was KO'd pretty badly if you look at his face lying there. Not nit-picking here mate but Liston was not lying down prefering to be counted out. He was up with his back to the ropes as Ali began to unload when Walcott came back over to call off the fight. I honestly think Witherspoon threw his title away against Bonecrusher and that Douglas was more than capable of getting up against Holy
VS Tyson - [Fighters you think took a personal dive] Berbik Thomas Spinks Tubbs Holmes Steward Karl Williams Tillmen McNealy Seldon Norris Ettiene mAybe not ALL of them - BUT they all lucked sucpiscous :deal :deal
Benny Leonard fouling himself out by hitting a man who was downed. Dempsey-Flynn I Joe Gans several times in his career Ali-Liston II De La Hoya-Hopkins
If it was that then he wouldn't have got up 1 second later. Personally I always thought this was a bit dodgy, Walcott is clearly ok by about 4 seconds and gets up just a fraction late, he even turns to the ref looking surprised at the stoppage: [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yElVvd1_BdQ[/ame] Maybe he was a bit befuddled and just made a mistake, but he was clearly not "out".
This coming from the guy who thinks Tyson lost to Tilllis, now all these other fights are dives. Most of these fights were pretty emphatic KO victories. Brebick? Who the **** takes a fake dive like Berbick? That guy was obviously in no shape to continue. Holmes almost choked on his mouthpiece when he was brutally stopped. McNeeley was stopped because his corner jumped into the ring to stop it for him, not anything he did, hardly a personal dive. Thomas was a pretty vicious beat down, and Spinks got blitzed. He was done. The only one of those that I see a clear argument for is Seldon and like I said above Seldon was extremely chinny and all of his stoppage losses look pretty pathetic.
The only dive I've actually seen in a ring,is by that headcase who gatecrashed the party during Bowe-Holyfield 2. Liston was intimidated big time during his second fight with Ali. Jack Johnson's sleep in the Havana sunshine was always suspect,as has been well documented.
How could the Etienne fight be a set up for the Lewis match when it happened after the Lewis match? Tyson Lewis 2002 Tyson Etienne 2003
Lennox Lewis/Vitali Klistchko was a botched dive. -An ancient Lennox Lewis clearly had no desire to fight or win anymore, it was his plan to go easy on Vitali and pass the torch this night so he could retire at peace. He showed up grotesquely obese as he had not been in the gym since the Tyson fight and was nice enough to pretend Vitali's slaps were hurting him. But to his surprise, Vitali couldn't follow through with the fix, he kept walking into pulled punches and getting badly damaged. The pathetic Vitali could barely stand and Lennox is clearly holding him up in the final rounds. Lewis decided "the hell with a good show" and was ready to take the dive when Vitali's corner began applying butterfly stitches, forcing the stoppage. Disgraceful, I'm surprised there wasn't an investigation. :-(
Pacquiao vs Morales III is one i remember. Erik could have got up but there would have been no point.
if you watch tyson-seldon, mike his bruce real hard with the first right hand. i dont think it was a dive, he just got beat down