Fights that are commonly misremembered

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  1. BlackBrenny

    BlackBrenny Guest

    how many punches did he land?
     
  2. rocky1

    rocky1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    im not suprised you did'nt get an answer to this as valuev could'nt land a single clean punch
     
  3. Thread Stealer

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    People think J.C. Chavez alone ruined and brain-damaged Meldrick Taylor. Taylor wasn't the same, but was still a formidable fighter who won a world title a year later against an undefeated Aaron Davis at WW. Taylor simply took too much punishment in general, and was also undersized/underpowered at WW.

    People always mention Henry Armstrong earning a draw in a bid for the middleweight title against Ceferino Garcia (whom he'd beaten in a title bout at a lower weight). Garcia was indeed the NYSAC champ at MW which was prestigious then, but this was an era when champs very often fought in non-title bouts. Their draw was in a fight only recognized by California as being a Middleweight title bout, and only 10 rounds.

    A lot of people seem to think that Vargas lost simply because he lost his head and tried to brawl with Trinidad. That may have caused him to take more punishment, but the tide-turning moments didn't come when Vargas was brawling it out. Trinidad simply countered a Vargas jab in round 1 and dropped Vargas. Vargas turned the momentum in rounds 4 and 5, and was boxing well with good punch selection and movement, but Tito caught him with a right hand late in round 6. That turned the momentum back in Trinidad's favor. Vargas tried to box more and use movement, but Tito caught him with a few long, hard right hands. This visibly moved Vargas in round 9, and then Vargas tried to brawl it out, and took more punishment.

    Likewise, people often mention Tommy Hearns fighting the wrong gameplan against Marvin Hagler. While probably true to an extent, Hearns later said he had to fight it out, to get Hagler's respect or otherwise get mowed over. Hagler rarely fought aggressively to that extent, so it was probably a surprise. Also, Hearns did try to box and use the ring. Midway through round 1, he was circling in the middle of the ring and trying to maintain distance and fight at a slower pace, meanwhile also hoping to get more extension on that right hand (watch nearly all of Hearns's highlight reel right hand KOs, they are when he gets more distance). But Hagler cut him off and got him on the ropes. Hearns fought from the 2nd round on in a more fleet-footed style, but it didn't matter. Hagler cut off the ring and got to him.
     
  4. Spman20999

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    Ali Vs. Frazier 2...

    Most people mention the fight like Ali straight out beat Frazier; truth be told he fought hella dirty throughout the entire fight, pushing Joe's head down. The ref let it happen because Ali was at the place in his career where he could get away with murder...
     
  5. bballchump11

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    true
     
  6. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Exactly. The fight may have been tough on the eyes, Valuev couldn't land much of anything and Haye easily won. It actually scares me that guys actually think Valuev won.
     
  7. pound

    pound Coqui Radar Full Member

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    This :deal.
     
  8. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Mayweather-ODLH, some people, to this day, still think it was a close fight
     
  9. pound

    pound Coqui Radar Full Member

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    Mayweather controlled nearly ever minute of that fight. I agree.
     
  10. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Oscar was being thoroughly outboxed!
     
  11. Terror

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    Naz-Barrera

    a lot of people had this around 8-4 and now pretend like it was a total **** kicking--it wasn't.
     
  12. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    I only gave DLH no more than about 3 rounds. People saw DLH's aggression but they didn't realize that Floyd wasn't getting touched much. Even Roger said something like, "Stay off them ropes! They gonna think he landing somethin'!".
     
  13. Divi253

    Divi253 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :good Ref should have been shot for that ****.

    :deal His biggest problem if he and Pac ever face.
     
  14. Leon

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    emmanuel's workrate has been controlled twice in the past on two separate occasions. It went down to only 52 per round. Floyd Jr knows to stay off the ropes ever since coming out of retirement, and he can also clinch emmanuel
     
  15. techks

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    Cotto/Margarito. People say Cotto looked great for six rounds or so then it was over for him, that wasn't the case. He did look gassed in the second half but he still made it competitive at times especially in the 9th. It was at the end of the 10th where it was starting to look over for Cotto. Even in the 11th Cotto landed a few good shots but Marg's chin is something else.