Fights that looked fixed to you

Any of Mark Gastineau's fights that he won.

 

I was thinking this one and I couldn't remember whether Reid actually was warned for punching Otkke and you've just confirmed it!

 

Azumah Nelson vs Jeff Fenech 1.

 

That fight was more believable than Mayweather's last outing......

 

Haye Harrison

 

Every single boxing match where a prospect, rising contender or name throws a bunch of punches at an overmatched opponent, and the overmatched opponent covers up, and when maybe one hard shot lands the opponent falls down, and then the opponent listens to the ref and starts to get up and doesn't stand until the count reaches 10. And then he says "No," and them immediately accepts the loss.

It happens every single week. And every single week I say "that I guy took a dive." Whether he agreed to go down. Or he just decided on his own to take the money and get out early.

Those ARE NEVER knockouts.

Professional boxers don't go down from flurries where they block nearly all the shots, and then rise at EXACTLY the count of 10 ... over and over every week.

Here's an example, but without the flurry.

Goes down on his own. Stands up at 10. Says "Okay." That's not a knockout. That's a dive/quit.

And announcers rarely say ... "Yeah, that guy went down on purpose and remained down for 10 seconds so the fight would be stopped."

And those types of "KOs" happen every single week on some show.

The opponent isn't concussed. The opponent clearly knows what's happening. He just goes down and stays down. Then pops up at 10. "Like he tried to get up." It's a shtick.

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Happens all the time, easy way to make a quick buck.

 

Every week.

 

Chris, loved the post and I have 2 more to go with this. The first Jose Napoles-Armando Muniz title bout and the first Juan Coggi-Eder Gonzalez bout. In these bouts - although the refs were the main culprits - they had enormous help. Ramon Berumen, one of the most corrupt refs you'll ever see, with his good friend Napoles almost blind from the hammering he was taking from Muniz, claimed when the doctor would not let Napoles continue, that Muniz had butted him in the 3rd and 5th rounds and that Napoles wins on a tech decision. Despite the fact that Muniz was never penalized or warned for butting. Moreover, with his title slipping away in the 11th. Napoles was allowed to pummel away at Muniz below the belt while Berumen just watched. Muniz later stated that he wouldn't retaliate because Berumen was just waiting to DQ him. The Mexican boxing commission supported and probably came up with that rule to save Napoles,

With Coggi-Gonzalez, one really has to see it to believe it. Everyone was in on that one. The referee, the timekeeper, Coggi's corner, the WBA, the commission. This one was simply a travesty.

 

Totally agree with Marciano-Walcott II. Looked totally staged. Hearns-Geraldo is another. Tyson-Seldon of course.

The latter two though I don't know if it was an orchestrated thing.....might have just been two fighters realizing they were out of their depth and wanted an easy night's work.

 

Exactly. There was a publication called the BAWLI Papers years ago. They would post collections of newspaper articles from various times throughout boxing history.

One edition I read was an opinion piece written by a writer during the 1950s when boxing was on television in prime time in the U.S. like three or four nights a week. And the writer was going on and on about how the mismatches being televised (like the fights we see every week, and nobody blinks an eye) were basically fixed fights, because the matchmakers knew one guy had no realistic chance of winning.

His contention (and many of others at the time) was if matchmakers didn't attempt to put together evenly matched fights, and one guy was clearly a huge favorite over the other, it was considered a questionable win, or even a fix. Because everyone watching "knew" who was going to win going in.

I am 54 years old, and I doubt I've ever seen, in my life, an entire boxing card where there were close to 50-50 matchups up and down a card, from top to bottom.

These "setup" fights are a staple on EVERY card.

So, you're right. When people today bash Carnera, it's because they're going off the reports of writers back then who considered any bout that wasn't viewed as a competitive fight going in as a "setup." And that's unfair to guys like Carnera.

Because EVERY boxer fighting today has had one or MANY fights where his opponent took a knee after a "flurry" of shots or one hard shot and purposley remained down until the count reached 10.

Every last one of them.

You could tell on Rigondeaux's face in that clip I posted he knew the guy tanked it. But BOOM BOOM is going on and on about how the stoppage shows "Ronnie Shields' Influence" on Rigondeaux's power. (GROAN)

 

Liston vs. Ali 2

 

Camera/Sharkey II
Listing/Ali II
Marciano/Walcott II
Foreman/Moorer

 

Thanks. I've not seen Coggi-Gonzalez, so will be sure to check it out.

 

Chris, the sound you will keep hearing is the thump of your jaw hitting the table as you watch this.