Fights that you believe should never have been sanctioned due to mismatch and old age

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  1. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    Abraham was still operating at a level above domestic level, so I don't see a problem with that.

    Tony and Jones are good shouts though.

    How about Joppy-Duran?
     
  2. Birmingham

    Birmingham Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Lmao
     
  3. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    He returned to silence his critics before retiring. It doesn't debunk anything, except that fighters in their mid to late 30's are more susceptible to taking needless punishment.
     
  4. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Froch in his 20's went life n death with Ozzie level Dale Westerman. If it had been Groves in there he would have lost.
    Some guys get better with age.

    Froch done better against Groves when he was older. That blows away your original response that Froch took a battering because he was the same age as Arthur when he fought Eubank.

    Povektin still looks a force at 37. At 37 Ali was finished and in retirement.

    You haven't a clue what you are talking about , going around claiming Ali was knocked out by body shots and revealing you never heard of Michael Grant before - ydksab
     
  5. Chuck Norris

    Chuck Norris Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Danny Williams shouldn't beat fighting anymore.
     
  6. Matt Petley

    Matt Petley Active Member Full Member

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    when did i say wlad at 40 was in his prime? re read the thread you idiot
     
  7. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    No one takes you seriously, I don't even know what you are doing in this thread. Idksab yet you follow me around like a demented stalker in all my threads!

    I'm not going to get in a long drawn debate with you, as you are a certified fool that loves making a ridiculous ******ed points. You will join the ignore list alongside other the clowns Herolgee, Zodius and that lawslaw piece of garbage.

    Don't bother responding as I will not see anymore of your moronic trolling posts. The only way to deal with mental low lives like you is to ignore them.
     
  8. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Are you Dinovelvet? As that is who made that ridiculous argument
     
  9. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    :risas3:
    Translation = YOU WIN.

    Yeah , no chit Sherlock.:69:
     
  10. Matt Petley

    Matt Petley Active Member Full Member

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    oh right sorry
     
  11. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Oooh! Off topic but yesterday i heard a really good comeback for "no chit Sherlock": "**** you Watson"
    (that tickled me)
     
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  12. Birmingham

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    Paranoid Pedley pmsl
     
  13. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Chavez had a decent pro record going into the fight, and was expected to be competitive. Personally the fight looked like a fix to me.

    There are obvious exceptions and I am no way saying that all old fighters shouldn't fight as quite rightly what another poster highlighted, all fighters age differently which have to take in factors such as their style, how they've looked after themselves and the wars they have been in.

    Wlad was in good condition going into the AJ and saw nothing wrong with that, it's the first time Wlad has really taken sustained punishment and it wasn't even that bad because he was performing to such a high level that he was able to deliver some of his punishment on Joshua.

    With regards to Horn Pac, this was suppose to be an easy fight against an unknown novice and again Pacquiao in his previous fights was performing at a respectful level where he was not being on the receiving end of one sided beat downs.
     
  14. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well you never know what's going to happen in a fight until it happened. You can look back and say something shouldn't have happened after it happened but it's impossible to predict the future.

    You could have just as well made the argument that Sugar Ray Leonard shouldn't have been allowed to come back and fight Marvin Hagler due to having a detached retina and possibly suffering permanent damage. But he ended up going out there and pulling off one of the biggest upsets of all time. Boxers assume the risks they take when they enter into a contract to fight.

    Mosley had gone the distance with Floyd, Mora, and Pacquiao back-to-back-to-back, why all of a sudden did you have a problem with Mosley fighting Canelo after that? Look I'm not exactly thrilled with Mosley carrying on, but it's his decision. Are you trying to say that you thought Canelo did more damage to Mosley than Floyd or Pacquiao did to him? Were you happy with Mosley getting in there with Pacquiao the year before?

    In Roy Jones vs Enzo, the shot that put Roy out was a right hook that landed behind Roy Jones ear. Was Roy rendered unconscious? He was stunned and within seconds of going down he was moving his legs, turning and coming to. His head didn’t exactly bounce off the canvas, he fell half onto his side and half onto his face. Someone bounces their head off the campus when they are falling on their back with heavy force. Vs Enzo, Roy didn’t hit the canvas particularly hard, he just sort of hunched over and fell down lightly. A punch that lands behind the ear like that can stun you momentarily or make you lose equilibrium.

    I don’t know why you feel the need to be so over dramatic about this knockout, saying Roy was “rendered unconscious” and “his head bounced off the canvas”. Neither of those things happened, he may have been out momentarily, but he wasn’t completely out of it like you were suggesting.

    If you go back and watch the first 3 rounds of RJJ vs Enzo, Roy was impressive, he was outboxing Enzo and doing it in an entertaining way. He was winning and he appeared to be on his way, but something changed in the corner after round 3 and Roy became very uncomfortable in the 4th round. I wasn’t exactly impressed with Enzo knocking out Roy because it seemed to have more to do with Roy being aggravated with something his cornerman had done before the 4th round. He came out in Round 4 with a totally different demeanor and it wasn’t due to any punishment he had taken in the first 3 rounds as he hadn’t taken any.

    Obviously every fighter should be judged on a case-by-case basis. We just seen Bernard Hopkins fight into his 50s and had a lot of success, but then he was knocked out of the ring and on to his head by a construction worker.

    Roy Jones fought Bernard Hopkins in 2010 and it was a highly competitive affair, so don’t give me this BS that it’s OK for Bernard Hopkins to fight into his 50s and get dropped on his head but it’s not OK to let Roy Jones fight. You don’t know what’s going to happen until it happens. For all we know Roy Jones could be on the verge of winning a World Title and you’re personal issues with you not thinking he should fight again could stop that from happening. Due to the Enzo loss? I sort of agree that a person shouldn’t be in the ring if he’s a punching bag. But all you gotta do is take one look at Roy vs Enzo in the first 3 rounds and it was clear that Roy Jones was impressive to watch, and we still saw flashes of his greatness.
     
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  15. woodzo

    woodzo Active Member Full Member

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    kahn vs Barrera ,, he doesnt deserve that name on his resume

    i remember michael gomez fighting kahn as well when he was past it but made a good account of himself but it was apparent even at the carl johanson fight he was finished
    the burns fight with him was a disgrace
     
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