Fights we never saw and were cheated out of

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Pat$$$, May 23, 2011.


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  1. Pat$$$

    Pat$$$ Active Member Full Member

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    The vindication DLH never got. There should probably be another thread started about the greatest rematches never to have happened. This would top the list, indeed!
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    Pat$$$, May 28, 2011
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  2. Bobo

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    hopkins - toney
     
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  3. Pat$$$

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    Perhaps this fight can still be made IF Toney loses weight and gets over his medical condition... something to do with pugilist dimensia and the loss of male hormones.
     
    Pat$$$, May 28, 2011
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  4. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If anything then Marquez was Hamed's mandatory , but I believe Marquez avoided Hamed more than vice versa .
     
    frankenfrank, May 29, 2011
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  5. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If he took all of these fights then he'd have retired later than he did , with at least 3 losses , and would have never came back , which means he'd be retired by now , and you didn't even mention Pacquiao .
    To his credit , Mosley ducked him in their prime more than the opposite way.
     
    frankenfrank, May 29, 2011
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  6. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Louis would have KOd him worse than Dempsey did . It would have required quite a longer count.
    Louis was adept vs bulked lightheavies . And Tunney is overrated too , but (physically) smaller than Louis .
    He didn't have Marciano's power and I doubt he had his durability .
    But if Louis found the way to get KOd by Schmelling and plod until the sudden KO against a few others then maybe in a 4 fights series , Tunney could have won a decision over him.
     
    frankenfrank, May 29, 2011
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  7. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sanchez-Pryor ? Sanchez was a 126 , Pryor a 140 .
     
    frankenfrank, May 29, 2011
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  8. Pat$$$

    Pat$$$ Active Member Full Member

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    I see Mayweather winning all of those fights.
    @135: casamayor, freitas (instead of his two no name defences)- Kayo against Freitas and a UD vs. Casamayor.

    @140: tzyu (before gatti)- UD vs. Tzyu. A very close UD at that. 115-113 all around. Tzyu would start out early and then Mayweather would have taken it from round 5 and beyond for the most part.

    @147: cotto, margo, williams, clottey (instead of retiring)- now that we have seen Cotto's lack of durability- the Margo fight taken into consideration even with the thought of Margo's gloves being tampered with- Mayweather would have done to Cotto what he did to Hatton- walked him down in the later rounds, pot-shotting him until his corner threw in the towel.

    Mayweather would have stopped Margo. YES, stopped Margo. Remember Diego Corrales? "Chico" didn't have the boxing skills to hit Mayweather and didn't have the defence to stop the incoming. Much like Margo, especially when we take into consideration the Margo vs. Mosely bout. Margo was a target waiting to be hit and waiting for the fight to be stopped.

    Paul Williams would have been a different story. Williams may not have had the boxing skills of a Mayweather but he sure had the defence to stay in the fight. It all depends on whether or not Williams kept the fight on the outside for the entire night. But this would not have assured him a decision victory against Mayweather... you have to convincingly beat someone like Mayweather and not come "half-way" like Judah did.

    With that being said, Mayweather in a Split Decision with a certain rematch... mandatory rematch. Then it would be all up for grabs then!

    Clottey would have been out-classed by Mayweather for the entire fight. Clottey would not be able to hit Mayweather. He was not even able to hit Pac-Man and Pac-Man was right in front of him all night. Mayweather ducks and pot-shots Clotter to smithereens... much like how Mayweather did to N'Dou. Everytime N'Dou opened up he got smacked in the face!

    What Mayweather should do for his comeback is to first fight Paul Malinaghi (good warm up and similar punch output to that of Pac-Man, but without all of the power)....

    Then he should take a Cottoe fight- a much beaten fighter at this point in his career, much like Fernando Vargas was when he fought the big names after he was blasted by Tito Trinidad.

    Then he should fight Pac-Man and end it there for the time being.

    All of this should come within a 9 month to a year package of fights for Mayweather on either HBO or Showtime. The purse over all three fights should net him close to $100 million. And afterwards if he wishes to fight Williams, Mora and/or rematch Pac-Man... let it be. (would not forget Andre Berto either)

    Cheers!
     
    Pat$$$, May 29, 2011
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  9. Unforgiven

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    McVey v Mendoza :deal
     
    Unforgiven, May 29, 2011
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  10. red cobra

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    You make the classic error of drastically underestimating Tunney. You mean Bob Pastor and Billy Conn were capable of bedeviling Louis yet he would just crush and roll over Gene Tunney? Tunney was equally as fast as Conn..perhaps more so than Pastor, and was a bigger, more conservative a boxer than these two great men and he had more discipline plus an iron clad chin. Lol..no he didn't have Marciano's power...that's a non sequitor...he didn't need Marciano's power...he traded on other assets, not power. It would have *******ized his intrinsic ring qualities if he did. he needed Marciano type power like a fish needed a bicycle....and as for size difference, the disparity in size wasn't as great as the difference between Conn and Louis.
     
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  11. vironaprile8

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    Benn vs RJJ
    Lewis vs Tyson (earlier)
    Bowe vs Tyson
    Foreman vs Ali (Rematch)
    Hamed vs morales
    Hatton vs witter
    Mayweather vs cotto
     
    vironaprile8, May 29, 2011
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  12. Thread Stealer

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    Leonard offered Pryor a fight for 500k, but Pryor wanted more money.

    It was simply a matter of economics and greed.
     
    Thread Stealer, May 29, 2011
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  13. Unforgiven

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    Good cocaine wasn't cheap in the eighties !
     
    Unforgiven, May 29, 2011
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  14. Pat$$$

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    I heard Pryor turned his life around. Damn those 80's got allot of guys at their peak.
    :-(
     
    Pat$$$, May 29, 2011
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  15. mochabuzz

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    Mancini-Coverson (1982)
    Vargas-Trinidad II (2001)
    Coetzee-Thomas II (1984)
    Ali-Frazier (1969)
    Bramble-Camacho (1986)
     
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