Fights where a fighter was unable to avenge a controversial loss/draw in the rematch

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Flo_Raiden, Jan 15, 2020.


  1. JC40

    JC40 Boxing fan since 1972 Full Member

    670
    1,024
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Jul 12, 2008
    Beat me to the punch mate. That one and Fenech vs Nelson were the first two that popped into my head.

    Cheers All.
     
    scartissue likes this.
  2. Seamus

    Seamus Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    40,852
    9,392
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Feb 11, 2005
    Except for New York's particular rules at the time, it would have been a draw. Two judges had it a round different for each fighter. Judge Jack Watson had it 5 rounds a piece but was allowed to score by some arcane points system(and mind you that Rocky had a KD and a deduction, equalling out) that gave Rocky the victory by this judge 9-6 points awarded extremely arbitrarily. This was not 10 point or 5 point must system. This was total BS.

    UP Fight Report...
    "Lastarza had such an edge in the infighting that most of the boxing writers scored in favor of the New Yorker. And he staggered Rocky with a a straight right to the chin in the sixth."
     
  3. Mike Gould

    Mike Gould Member Full Member

    194
    242
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Nov 16, 2017
    Terry Norris lost by DQ (rabbit punches) and lost his WBC title to Luis Santana. In the rematch, Terry Norris couldn't keep his emotions in check and was disqualified AGAIN for hitting Santana while he was down (Santana displayed great overacting skills in both DQ wins btw as he really exaggerated the effect of the late punches in both fights). Finally, in the third fight (second rematch), Terry kept his cool and efficiently blew away Santana in 2 rounds. Norris wasted a year of his prime dealing with this turkey and Santana secured three big paydays with his acting skills. What a waste of time for boxing. I bet Norris wish he never fought this fool.
     
    Saintpat likes this.
  4. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    33,992
    8,824
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Apr 27, 2005
    Another clipping from Marciano - Lastarza -

    The Associated Press reported: "Rocky, a short-armed, slope-shouldered battler won the fight with a sensational punching display in the fourth round when he floored LaStarza. A low blow In the eighth round cost the free swinging Rocky a clear-cut triumph. He belted handsome Rollie all over the lot in the frame and hurt him with another one of his vicious rights to the jaw."
     
  5. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,507
    2,190
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    May 18, 2006
    To be fair Norris was a goose and couldn't control his emotions in the ring. He had a chronic bad habit of hitting opponents when they were down and was lucky he wasn't DQ'd on more occasions.
     
    Mike Gould and George Crowcroft like this.
  6. Mike Gould

    Mike Gould Member Full Member

    194
    242
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Nov 16, 2017
    He was disqualified early in his career for hitting someone while they were down. He could get hot in fights and lose control of his emotions and get in trouble. Funny enough, in his title unification match with Paul Vaden (who slept with Norris' fiance!) he kept his cool and boxed to a dominant 12 round decision. High strung and fiery but near unbeatable when he boxed with discipline. He busted up Julian Jackson in the first round and then stupidly went for an early kill and was nearly decapitated when Jackson caught him against the ropes. I would've loved to have seen a rematch but Norris was chinny and Jackson may have caught him again at some point. The two fights with Simon Brown was like watching two different Terry Norris' as he got caught in the first fight and cooly outboxed him in the rematch. If he had some more discipline in his prime he would've been much more highly regarded today.
     
    young griffo likes this.
  7. Fat crook from New Jersey

    Fat crook from New Jersey Whatever happened to Gary Cooper? Full Member

    13
    1
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Jan 17, 2020
    Allow me to condense that pile of bitter excrement. If LaStarza was as good as you're trying to make him out, close decision or not, after losing the first fight he should have undoubtedly come back stronger and won the second. Sadly Marciano rendered him into gelatin, after sending his a-ss through the ropes. And in light of your comment on the other thread, LaStarza was one of Marciano's most vocal critics and he got his s-hit pushed in.
     
  8. Seamus

    Seamus Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    40,852
    9,392
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Feb 11, 2005
    Quality Fail in reading comprehension.

    My argument is not that Lastarza was exceptionally good just that the first fight was close or with controversy. I hope that is spelled out clearly enough now.
     
  9. Fat crook from New Jersey

    Fat crook from New Jersey Whatever happened to Gary Cooper? Full Member

    13
    1
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Jan 17, 2020
    Oh I know that, it's just bizarre and quite pathetic how biased you are against Marciano. It's as if he personally insulted you. I mean I know you're old, but you're not that old.
     
  10. Seamus

    Seamus Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    40,852
    9,392
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Feb 11, 2005
    As I have written on this board dozens of times over the past 15 years, I hold Marciano in very high regard given the context of his ability. A great fighter, pound for pound entrant even. But let's be real.
     
  11. Fat crook from New Jersey

    Fat crook from New Jersey Whatever happened to Gary Cooper? Full Member

    13
    1
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Jan 17, 2020
    I've followed this site for years and read dozens of Marciano threads, to which your name has shown up a lot in and it's always something negative or marginal. That's not "being real" that's simple dislike.
     
  12. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,507
    2,190
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    May 18, 2006
    Great post and absolutely spot on Mike. Norris was absolutely sensational when he kept his head but he had the tendency to lose his cool which saw a near him have a near miss with Troy Waters and the disaster in Brown 1. The Jackson loss is excusable though as Jackson was a threat to anyone with that kind of power.

    I remember Norris after he dropped Leonard literally ran across the ring and hit him when he was down (similar to his early DQ loss) and he did it again to another fighter (whose name escapes me) which both could easily have been called as DQ's if they chose to milk it.

    It was senseless by Norris considering his dominance at his best .
     
    Mike Gould likes this.
  13. Seamus

    Seamus Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    40,852
    9,392
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Feb 11, 2005
    Some are not satisfied until Marciano is practically deified and given title of Greatest Human Ever to Bestride God's Terra Firma.

    Merely rating him as a great fighterin his time is not enough.
     
  14. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

    11,038
    834
    Sportsbook:
    1,293
    Oct 17, 2014
    Chris Eubanks vs. Michael Watson, Mike McCullum vs. Herold Graham, Dariusz Michalczewsky vs. Christophe Girad, Archie Moore vs. Yves Durrell, Laurent Bouduanni vs. Guillermo Jones, Marco Huck vs. Firat Arslan, Bernard Hopkins vs. Robert Allen, Vivian Harris vs.Oktay Urkal, Carl Froch vs. George Groves
     
    Last edited: Jan 18, 2020
  15. Rope-a-Dope

    Rope-a-Dope Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,465
    2,092
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Jan 20, 2015
    Arguello vs. Pryor...first fight controversial because of the "special bottle" but Pryor didn't need it to win the rematch.
     
    George Crowcroft likes this.


Advertisement