Fights where attritional pressure fighters beat technicians

Exactly.

As I alluded to in my first post on this thread, sometimes people equate outboxing another fighter with being more skilled or technically superior. But a lot of times, a guy will outbox another guy because he has physical gifts, not superior skill. I found Chavez and Taylor I to be one such example. Taylor was just so much faster and thus could regularly beat Chavez to the punch. Generally-speaking, there were a lot of great fighters throughout the years who were able to outbox technically superior fighters simply because they had superior physical gifts (e.g. Jones vs. Hopkins I that I already mentioned in the above post - and frankly every other Roy Jones fight - stretches of Leonard vs. Hearns I, Chan-hee Park vs. Canto I, and ad infinitum). But this is another topic altogether.

 

Forrest was an elite amateur for year's and beat the brakes off of Mosley who was a pound for pound number 1 fighter. The problem with Vernon was injuries really derailed his career. Also, he wasn't as good when he moved to 154. I wonder if the losses to Mayorga were because he could make 147 anymore and he was drained. I do know that he was never the same after shoulder surgery.

 

Yes, I know Forrest's amateur background and saw his bouts with Mosley live. But I don't know what to think of the Mosley results (partly because I am ambivalent about Mosley's worth). In the first fight, I thought it initially looked like Forrest was totally out-classed by Mosley's speed. And then the butt occurred and that seemed to turn the entire complexion of the fight. And the beating Mosley took as a result seemed to affect him in the second fight, where Mosley looked tentative and frankly even intimidated. I think Mosley was a front-runner a bit like Tyson. He could be spectacular at times but rather flat at others. It would have been a more solid measure of Forrest's worth if he fought either Trinidad or de la Hoya in their welterweight primes, I feel.

 

Hi Buddy.
At first glance you are right to question my pick, and I agree it looks out of synch, but I was assessing the encounter at the time of their fight, at that early stage in his illustrious career Duran was viewed as a somewhat reckless slugger, a pure KO artist, he was likened to the Graziano's of the trade, unlike the much later years, when he developed into the much more skillful, and technically gifted boxer he would eventually become, plus he was pitted against Buchanan who was rightly seen as a very profound and talented boxer, so the lead up in the press was more of the slugger v the boxer, so that was where I was coming from, I hope I have explained my pick so as to give you an insight into my reasons, it's the way I saw it then at that stage in Duran's development, some might agree, some might not.
stay safe buddy, chat soon.
Mike.

 

Absolute toomfolery mate

 

Roberto Duran schooling Ray Leonard

 

Paul Ingle vs Colin McMillan is a good example of this.

 

Quite a few of Matthew Saad Muhammad's fights