Fights where conditioning has been...

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Russell, Aug 25, 2007.



  1. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Marciano Walcott.If Rocky wasnt in the condition he was in he would have been stopped earl,but when your the greatest conditioned heavyweight ever you see the results
     
  2. Russell

    Russell VIP Member Full Member

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    Wow... Thanks, Duo.

    Training regimes have always interested me to no end. And in the vein of Hagler's fanatical training, what other boxers come to mind that trained as hard if not harder than him?

    Marciano did 12 miles a day, correct? Anyone match up with that?
     
  3. TIGEREDGE

    TIGEREDGE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i thought hagler got robbed against antuefermo. it was much worse than lewis holyfield draw of 99
     
  4. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yea, I thought he desrved to retain his title easpecially with the 13th round rally, he shook Hagler and waved him in to slug, and Marvin danced
     
  5. Russell

    Russell VIP Member Full Member

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    What were Tyson's health issues going into that fight?
     
  6. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    With that action, Vito may very well have retained his belts. The idea of anybody doing that to Marv would have been patently ridiculous until Antuofermo did it. When Vito didn't bleed, he was hardly invincible, yet virtually imdomitable. Then, immediately after their match, when he said he'd rather fight Hagler again than Hugo Corro (RIP), Marv's image of fearsome intimidation and invincibility was sorely compromised. Ultimately, he earned Hagler's respect, no small achievement for an adversary of his. (He also offered Marv tacit support before he lifted the title from Minter, an open secret to fight fans in Italy and the States, wanting Marv to bring it back across the pond.)
     
  7. JohnThomas1

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    It was certainly a key moment Bummy.
     
  8. JohnThomas1

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    Yeah, stamina did indeed let him down in some which is one reason i gotta favour Monzon. After Marvin hit his straps the comp wasn't often good enough to get him into the latter rounds.
     
  9. Duodenum

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    Jim Jeffries reportedly ran 14 miles a day, and has been alleged by some sources to also skip rope for two hours nonstop, but this may be getting confused with taking 2,500 skips. Johnny Owen was claimed to have run 15 miles in training for his fateful challenge of Pintor.

    SRL, on the other hand, established such a strong routine that he only required a couple miles of running each morning.

    Keep in mind that there is a trade-off between working too hard, and not hard enough. The body needs an opportunity to rest and recover. Push it incessantly, to the point where muscles don't have the chance to rest, recover, heal and grow, then it's likely to become feeble and exhausted when time for competition.

    Naturally thin people can have a significant advantage over those who are always prone to gain weight, or abuse substances, whether those substances consist of food, tobacco, alcohol, or drugs such as coke. (It was claimed to actually be the cola variety of Coke which helped undermine Chacon's early boxing career.)

    When it came to taking punishment to the body, nobody was tougher than Ali. Yet, apparently due to his vanity about his physique, it's been claimed that he escewed the use of a medicine ball in training, but devoted the first 45 minutes of his routine to stretching exercises. Perhaps flexible abdominal muscles are more valuable in withstanding body shots downstairs than tight abdominals which might be more prone to sustaining pulls.

    Gene Tunney was one of the fastest heavyweight champions, yet he is alleged to have passed up the use of a speedbag in training. Skehan's Marciano biography reported that Rocky was convinced a speed bag was of no use to a heavyweight. To try improving his handspeed, he'd wade into a pool, shoulder deep, and practice shadowboxing underwater. His huge edge in handspeed was a key factor in his performance against Rex Layne.

    On May 26, 1889, Nelly Bly (Mrs. Elizabeth Cochran Seaman) of the New York World famously reported on page 13 about some of Sullivan's training for Jake Kilrain. He would get up at 6 o' clock, have a rubdown, then go out on a three mile walk and run. After a breakfast of oatmeal, he'd rest, and then head out at 10:30 for another uphill run and walk of 12 miles, covered in two hours, across rising fields from Muldoon's cottage to his farm in Belfast, N. Y. Then dinner at one, followed by bag punching, wrestling, swinging Indian clubs and dumbells, along with other such things until suppertime.

    He conditioned his face and hands with a mixture of rock salt, white wine and vinegar, and several other ingrediants. Sullivan told her that when he arrived in Belfast to begin training on Muldoon's isolated 70 acre spread, he weighed 237 pounds (he actually weighed 244 when he gpt there), lost six pounds the previous Friday, and six and a half more pounds that following Saturday. At the time of this interview, he weighed 218 pounds, and planned on reducing down to 195 pounds by the time he left for his match with Kilrain (who he took out in 75 rounds, six weeks later).

    He also told Miss Bly that he had made $600,000 in the prize ring, a very respectable sum for an athlete to make in the 1880s. While training, he didn't smoke, drink much, eat foods that were fattening, sweet, or any potatoes (a staple food of the time for sons if Irish immigrants like Sullivan).

    Well, if that's what Sullivan was doing 118 years ago, has aerobic and cardio conditioning really improved by that much more since then? When John L. finally was dethroned by Corbett, his younger challenger had just turned 26, and weighed 189. At 33, Sullivan weighed 218 pounds, had been drinking heavily, and had been inactive for over three years. Still, Sullivan made it into round 21 before succumbing. What might have happened if he'd taken care of himself, and came in at the same weight as Corbett, the weight of his peak?
     
  10. Duodenum

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    Sometimes, I wonder if Hagler actually compromised his endurance by working too hard. He didn't always seem particularly relaxed in the ring, and when a rumor emerged that he might try running the Boston Marathon while he was champion, the Petronelli's squashed that story quickly, saying Marv was so competitive that he might kill himself trying to win the thing.