Fights where size, strength, and power beats the more skilled technician

Borkhorsor vs Betulio

 

Interesting take. I have to say that the first half of the bout made things pretty clear, from where I was sitting. The fight wasn't filled with action but Lopez was the aggressor, making the fight and landing. Lomachenko looked like a guy waiting for a deus ex machina to drop and, whenever he did try something, he was mostly being outmaneuvered and countered.

Lomachenko did better in the second half, but this seemed more like a series of desperate attempts than any kind of organized offensive. The 12th was a Lopez round, for mine.

In line with the spirit of this thread, I think the power and strength of Lopez will have played it's part, but it seemed obvious to me, from the outset, that Lomachenko had been expecting something different than what he ended up seeing from Lopez. By Lopez sitting back, measuring distance and picking his shots, he simply stymied the Ukrainian. For me it was more a tactical performance, supported by size, strength, and power, than it was a victory based entirely on the physical attributes of Lopez.

 

I don't wanna to convince you or anybody else, but I don't know, how rounds 2, 4, 5 could be scored for Lopez. Most of his bodypunches wasn't clean. Loma controlled tempo and distance, his front hand worked very precisely. I didn't see any effection agression from Teo. Let's not confuse physical pressure with sweet science. Lopez didn't throw (and didn't land) SO MUCH to outclass Lomachenko. IMO

 

Likewise - we all have our viewpoints so no problem with learning how other people saw the bout unfold. But, Lopez did enough and he did so against what was, in effect, a fairly negative approach from Lomachenko, for most of the fight. I'm fine with evasive fighters, who find their openings, produce their own effective aggression and clean, hard punching, against a come-forward opponent. However, that wasn't forthcoming from Lomachenko, in any noteworthy sense, as far as I could see.

I suspect you and I differ on what controlling the distance and tempo of a fight looks like, as well. Lomachenko was forced to evade, move out of punching range and reset, over and over again. I do not consider the fighter having to do this as the one who is in control of either. Quite oppositely, if your opponent is making you do this whilst you, for whatever reason, fail to produce a counter-offensive in return, then who's the one in control?

 

Maybe Loma move out from Lopez's right hand. He was VERY cautious and economical, but so was plan. Lopez missed with his jabs and eat almost every jab from ukrainian because his own left hand was too low. Quality of Lopez's ring generalship is again VERY questionable. How many times Loma was unbalanced or in danger situation? I saw Teo missed a lot and therefore his effective agression in question. Yes, he drove Loma from a position, but where clean hard landed punches (in first half for example)? How many punches he landed to the head? How many of his bodypunches Loma softened? Defense and clean punches on the side of Loma.

Might not have made it clear. My english is not so good

 

No problem - I get and take your points. There was little action (for most of the fight) and there's no doubting Lopez missed a few and had some blocked by Lomachenko. I wouldn't necessarily say Lopez was demonstrating supreme skills - but still, Lopez was the one throwing and his successes, however few, were enough to win him the rounds - in my opinion.

It's also difficult to criticize the ring generalship of Lopez, given the situation he was in. I'd say that Lopez was given few options but to keep walking Lomachenko down who, as I mentioned before, fought negatively, with very little to offer in return.

I would suggest that Lomachenko is the one, who needs to work out why he rarely, if ever, countered Lopez. Had he done so, it would have changed the complexion of the fight. Perhaps it is a size/strength/power challenge, after all, and he should reconsider his place in the 135 class?

 

You're right, in this division Vasyl washed up. Reach and power of lightweights is too much for him. I think he should better fight in super featherweight. But in 2-3 fights his career is over. His way in boxing was too long and eventful. Many of the best amateurs had short professional careers, and Loma (in addition) has energetically demanding style.

 

Why do you "pity the fool"?

 

Pretty much every time that the top of the heavyweight division, has been contested between a former lightheavyweight, and a superheavyweight.

 

Excellent break down.

 

Pryor vs Arguello (Arguello was taller, but Pryor was bigger & physically stronger).

 

Honeyghan vs Curry.