Fights where two pound for pounders have met and one drops only 1 or 2 rounds?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Can you think of any examples? Sugar was ranked in the Ring's top 5 going into his fight with Mayweather and he has been utterly dominated, dropping one round one two cards and two on the third.

    Precedents?
     
  2. itrymariti

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    Hopkins/Pavlik
    Mayweather/Marquez
    Hopkins/Tarver
    Jones/Toney
     
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    Whitaker/Chavez ... lol
    Whitaker/Nelson
     
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    These are just from scrolling through the Ring P4P rankings on Boxrec and picking out fighters that fought each-other with the above result - nothing particularly romantic, sorry
     
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    Also, perhaps one should consider taking fighters off the list for inactivity more readily. I'm not trying to take anything away from PBF (and I think he beats Mosley at any stage of their respective careers at 147) but Mosley was clearly not in spectacular condition last night, and wouldn't make my Top 10 P4P now. I don't think that's an over-reaction. With that long lay-off, there was a clear effect.
     
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    Oh yeah, and I presume you mean they were winning a decision - it wouldn't be as relevant if it were a first round KO, for instance.
     
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    Modern Day

    Jones - Toney

    Mayweather - Mosley, Hatton (I'd prob give Ricky 3 rounds), Marquez, Corrales.

    Pacman - MAB (Pac wasnt P4P before), Hatton (not sure he was P4P then), Cotto (Cotto prob shouldnt have been but might have been), Morales 3 (Morales shouldnt be P4P at this time but may have been)

    Hopkins - Tito (Hops prob wasnt P4P), Pavlik, Tarver, Delahoya (DLH prob won more than 2 rounds)

    Calzaghe - Lacy -a big push but people forget Lacy was on some P4P lists, Joe probably wasnt

    MAB - Hamed (Hamed won more than 2 rounds though)

    Whitaker - Chavez (Chavez won more than 2), Nelson

    Tyson - Spinks

    Trying to figure out P4P lists going back in history is hard
     
  8. McGrain

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    Missing and getting hit is a tiring business.
     
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    Retrospectively P4P lists are never a case whos the best at that moment in time.
     
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    One round of it is? Mosley was fading that early.

    Although he faded early against Cotto too. But not as much.
     
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    Indeed - a more interesting thread topic might be: When has a P4Per lost decisively but not taken a heavy drop in the rankings?
     
  12. McGrain

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    One round of it? So you think Mosley was knackered in round 2?


    What i'll say is that I didn't expect to see anything differet last night, really. I was expecting domination. Maybe more rounds like 1 that would be hard to score, but Mosley couldn't get off in three or four any more than he could in ten or eleven. He just wasn't quick enough and his jab just wasn't good enough. Mosley tiring is amongst the least important factors in his severe defeat IMO. He had far bigger problems and Mayweather took advantage of every single one of them in perfect style.
     
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    He was successful in Round 2. In Round 3, he looked worse. I'll watch the fight again at some point today, but it seemed that he was gradually losing sharpness throughout the first 4, 5 rounds. In the first he was slipping a HUGE amount of Mayweather's shots, it was really surprising how slick he was. I don't think anyone landed anything clean that round. After a few rounds ticked by, he was a sitting duck for every lead Mayweather threw. It may sound like I'm clutching at straws, but that's the impression I got.

    Gasping for air in the corner also wasn't a good sign.

    No doubt, it was a great performance. I'll say it again: I'm not trying to discredit Mayweather. Actually, I think he showed clear evidence of being past-prime, although maybe not to the same extent as Mosley. It's never been as clear to me as it is now that Mayweather's best weight is not 147. He looked slower to me than he's ever been, and very flat-footed, even more so than usual at this weight. On the other hand, this was the strongest I've ever seen him; he was the one getting the better of the mauling and brawling, and I thought that was the best chance Mosley had of getting anything over.

    But yeah, great showing from Mayweather, his second-best win and perhaps his best performance. He's a level above SSM as a fighter now and always.
     
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    By the way McGrain, Mayweather looks a bit like Hopkins in that picture!
     
  15. McGrain

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    I agree that he looked worse, but it also needs to be said that Mayweather was finding his rhythm, range and taking complete control of the fight. A lo of wht you are saying is true, but try to bare in mind that Mayweather-Oscar had an odd first round and that Oscar won roun 2 (And 3) before Mayweather took over there. Mayweather does take a look at his man.

    My impression was that Mosley was breathing with an open mouth early, I would say at the end of round four. He looked okay at the beginning of round 5 but was breathing with his mouth open (not a sure sign but a decent indcator) during that round.

    But what i'm saying to you is, the man had bigger problems. Against Oscar, his losing stamina was very pertinant because he could't get into position quickly enough to snap the jab. It was arguably the differene in the fight. Here, Mosley was uttery lost. He could have had all the stamina there is and he still would have lost wide because he was out-classed and didn't have the tools (jab, fluidity, footspeed) to cause Money problem...it wasn't happening!

    IMHO the diffence between his being 38 and 28 is his winning a single round in the second half of the fight to go with the single round he won in the first.


    He does have that grumpy look about him, doesn't he?