Fights wherefootwork made the difference, and didn't get the credit

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    McCallum vs Harding is one of the best exhibitions of footwork I've ever seen. I think the whole performance from McCallum doesn't get the credit it deserves for the technical masterpiece it is.

    Probably there are some Hagler fights as well that fits this bill. That boy could move!
     
  2. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Douglas vs Tyson is another. Douglas' footwork is probably the best I've ever seen from someone over 230 lbs. It's so wrong that all the talk about this fight is about Tyson missing Rooney etc. Douglas puts on such a textbook exhibition against a formidable opponent, but you rarely hear much about this.

    Wlad against Haye, also. Masterful display of methodically cutting down the ring behind the jab.
     
  3. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agree on all of them.

    Mike McCallum was a master. Nothing else to it.

    Douglas kept Tyson at his preferred range for 99.9% of the fight, and lit him up. Beautiful, on his toes boxing.

    Wlad gave Haye nowhere to hide when that was all he wanted. It's hard to catch an opponent more interested in surviving than fighting, and he did it enough to win a wide decision.

    Joe Calzaghe against Lacy was staggering. The way he turned Jeff constantly, never in the same place for too long, always forcing Lacy to reset, it was staggering.
     
  4. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Who is Hart?
     
  5. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What's your take on Clazaghe? How good do you think he was?
     
  6. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ok. That should reading Harding. Wise guy.
     
  7. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I figured :lol:

    Calzaghe was stellar. His resume is lacking for a great fighter, sadly, but the talent is clearly there.

    Joe Calzaghe may not have a special resume, but he was a special fighter. The boxing lessons he put on Lacy, Jones, Kessler...You need to be better than good to do that.
     
  8. dinovelvet

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    Sure, beating a guy who moved like a broken robot, had one punch to his name and who lost to old Roy Jones Jr who was talking to people in the audience as he was beating him..............Staggering.
     
  9. dinovelvet

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    If it takes somebody special to beat Jones on points in 2008, what does that make Johnson who ko'd him in 2004?..............Kessler was not a boxing lesson. Joe took over aginst a faded injured Kessler after a hard fought fist half.
     
  10. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    117-111, which is what my card read, is a fairly decisive, one-sided scorecard. He completely took one of the best jabs in the division away, barely absorbed a hard punch after the 4th, and had Kessler so confused and cowed from the angles he was coming in at, he barely made a meaningful stand throughout the back half of the fight.

    Considering Kessler is one of the best 3-4 168 pounders of the last decade, I rate that as pretty impressive.

    Glen Johnson IS special. He's boxings ultimate road warrior, one of the hardest training guys in the sport, and he took a tough fight, walked through a lot of hard counter shots, and ran Jones over, just like Calzaghe did. Different ending, different styles of fighters, similar performances.

    Still, again, find me a guy who can stand in front of Jones still today, with his hands down, his chin out, and make ROY look stupid. There aren't many. You miss the forrest for the trees fairly often, friend. Doesn't have to be over some prime stud to be impressive, just has to be impressive in and of itself. I don't rank the win as very significant, but the performance was still stellar.
     
  11. dinovelvet

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    Glencoff got a Roy who unhealthy dropped from HW to LH at 36 years old and who had already been demolished by Tarver in his previous fight.
    Johnson is nothing special , who did he ever beat. Just because he travelled around a lot doesn't make him better than he is.
    Joe would never of gotten away with taunting Roy when he was in his prime. It was Joe who looked stupid doing it.
    Lets take Joe right now, almost the same age as Roy was, and put him in with the Roy of the Clinton Woods fight. Who do you think would be clowning who?
    Roy was a physical gifted athlete with tremendous speed and reflexes but who didn't have the greatest technical proficiency. Without those physical attributes he had nothing.
    Joe fought a Roy who had nothing.
    Id class a performance as 'stellar' only if the opponent was game.
     
  12. frankenfrank

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    1 can only allow himself 2 do so against a clean fighter.
    Had it been Duran or himself, he would have had his foot stepped on.

    d last 1 is when Marquez KOd Pacquiao by landing a perfect punch while standing on Pacquiao's foot.
     
  13. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He never was a HW, fully hydr8ed 193lbs was not a HW even then, it was a fully hydr8ed and slightly bulked LHW at most.
    So Roy never dropped from HW, it is 1 of d worst myths that r regarded consensus .
    Also mind u that Roy outpointed Tarver immedi8ly after "dropping from HW" . Tarver only stopped him in his 2nd fight past it. Only then did Johnson KOd him. Roy had enough time 2 accommod8, no excuses 4 him except from age, but Tarver was even older than Jones, and drug abused, and Johnson was of d same age, and slightly smaller.

    Another thing is that Roy kept fighting and making 175 even past his KO loss 2 Johnson and even made a 170lbs CW. 175lbs was still Jones' best fighting w8.


    Maybe Johnson does not have many good wins (4 what it worth he also has decisions over Tarver, Clinton Woods (1:1:1 vs Woods all in Woods' back yard, which was never known 4 fair refereeing or scoring fights or having anything function properly as far as this sport concerns) , a stoppage over Montell Griffin and a KO over a much younger and fresher Alan Green)
    , but his durability and competitiveness in fights, away from home at that must worth something.

    Glen Johnson looks much less impressive and special on film than RJJ, because RJJ only fought dead ppl, whereas Johnson was d 1 being disadvantaged throughout his career.

    looking spectacular is much easier fighting dead men.

    Imagine what a powerhouse Johnson would have looked like had he fought a shot Jorge Vaca @ 160lbs, Vinny Pazienza@ 168lbs, and well, he DID KO RJJ @ 175lbs, and he did not have 2 hit a downed Griffin or 2 have Griffin rushed cold in2 d ring in order 2 stop him either.

    f@99ot5 here would have still raved about what a puncher Glen Johnson was in his prime, and would have excused at least d vast majority of his losses.

    Joe was actually d younger man by 3 yrs which does make a difference almost every time.

    Let us settle 4 Roy being a well artificially manufactured heavily hyped up television celebrity, whom had d right ppl in d right st8s put in front of him.

    And I excuse him being roided like d rest, and who knows what else, but it did contribute 2 his unnatural abilities , did not it?