Fill in the blank: "Juan Manuel Marquez is ___________"

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  1. Soriano

    Soriano Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Marquez is one of the best tactical fighters but he lost to the best fighter in the planet, Manny Pacquiao. He's a sore loser, though. :yep
     
  2. Beatboxer

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    True, Hamed had terrific natural gifts...but Barrera exposed more than just his physical limitations as a fighter that night in terms of his skill: he broke his spirit and his heart.

    Great champions come back from adversity, Hamed was unable to do that and was exposed as a very good, rather than great champion that fight.

    MAB deserves terrific credit for the win though :happy
     
  3. Beatboxer

    Beatboxer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    See we can agree on some things (at least not Calzaghe related) :D:good
     
  4. DINAMITA

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    He exposed the glaring flaws and limitations in Hamed's all-round game that had always been there. Hamed's technical side was always weak but he thought his reflexes and power would always be enough, and when he was spoonfed a steady stream of mediocre mandatories, dire domestic opposition and faded veterans, he never had any reason to develop his skills. As soon as he faced a great fighter, these flaws and weaknesses were ruthlessly exposed. For me, this is NOT the definition of a great/elite/top quality boxer at all, and it doesn't even matter that he never bounced back. He was simply never good enough.
     
  5. 1Kolijn

    1Kolijn Well-Known Member Full Member

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    _______A decent boxer :yep





    kidding ! A future HOF:er
     
  6. Nestea

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    One of the superb technical fighter of the era, but should stop following and revolving around Pac and make his own legacy.
     
  7. stonerose

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    they were great days for british boxing watching him coming through the ranks though. he was an obnoxius twat but he had a unique style and was an all time hard puncher. he fell short of what he thought he was capable of but i mostly have good memories of him and his failed march to the top. the ring entrances were horrifyingly long winded though and his post fight interviews varied between very funny and downright annoying.
    barrera did show him up and his flaws but if you're gonna be shown up its best to be shown up by a legend.
     
  8. stonerose

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    and the fact people still talk about him shows he made his mark on the sport.
     
  9. harrison

    harrison feu-nrmf md 2005 Full Member

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    bwahahahahaha :D :good
     
  10. Beatboxer

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    I agree with this. I often hear Hamed supporters stating that the reason he lost the MAB fight was that he had declined from his peak due to getting rid of Ingle and also his attitude to boxing in general, stemming from his freakish power where he believed all he had to do was hit the other guy and it was 'good night'.

    Some have pointed to, for instance, the Steve Robinson fight as the pinnacle of Hameds fighting ability and ask you to compare that to his bouts against Ingle, Kelley and of course, MAB. They say that Hameds skills have noticeably declined over the years.

    It seems that they never really considered the competition: Steve Robinson, as much of a fairytale story that that was, was never any great shakes and was a an opponent suited to make Hamed look good...as soon as he truely stepped up in class, as you say, he was taken apart. Even before that, he had looked mediocre against limited competition.

    With that being said, I do recognise that he did take alot of alpha belts and was the man in his division for a few years. He was a very good fighter, but due to the combination of his own arrogance derived from his freakish power and reflexes and competition that never truely tested him, he never fully developed his skills and this combined with his lack of heart, when faced with a true elite fighter, spelt the end for the ego tistical 'Prince' Naseem Hamed.

    And I for one am grateful for it, a real wanker.
     
  11. harrison

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  12. 41fever

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  13. DINAMITA

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    This is a post I made in the Classic yesterday:

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    Exactly. People seem to think he was a God because he could dazzle and embarrass fighters of the calibre of Steve Robinson (often the same guys who think Joe Calzaghe is a legend ATG because he could box rings round Jeff Lacy), without any thought to the standard of opposition being faced. Hamed fans cling to this myth that when he was young and with Brendan Ingle he was the third Sugar Ray, but then when Ingle left he became obsessed with one-punch KOs and the standard of his performance plummeted - total nonsense. Before Ingle left, the opposition Hamed was facing was diabolical, that was the reason he looked so good, but the glaring flaws in his all-round game were always there, always. Even as a fan of his back in the day, I always knew as soon as he faced his first top quality opponent, he would be beaten and beaten well. After Ingle left, the standard of opposition improved and this is why his performances deteriorated, the guys he was facing in his later years had a better idea of how to exploit his obvious weaknesses - though Hamed did manage to turn the clock back with the marvellous win over Bungu (the key reason why I don't accept this **** about him being amazing with Ingle and nothing without him, and also why I can only laugh at the view that Hamed was "past-prime" when he got to Barrera - he was 27!!).

    I still think Hamed was Barrera's best win though. Yes, Morales was a clearly superior fighter to Hamed, but Barrera beat Hamed far more convincingly than he ever beat Morales. MAB was a master that night.





    It appears we can agree over matters that don't involve a certain Welsh cherrypicker after all!!
     
  14. hmi

    hmi Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You and harrison deserve each other.
     
  15. treva1977

    treva1977 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    not as gay as dinamita.