Old ground, he'll just deny anything I say, despite the fact his name is on the list, phrases he uses here to describe fights here are on the list, and it's a massive collection full of fighters he likes to talk about here. He once hedged a bit saying you may have my " public list ". If he sends me his public list, I will be a gentleman and say if its a match. So PM me now K man. Deal? He also didn't answer my question if he bid on something. Klompton has a way of stonewalling points he doesn't want to touch, often because he doesn't want to admit or talk about them. Dude, Pm me, I'll give you an email address. Send your " public list " you mentioned here and I'll send you what I have that has my name on it. We'll see if there is a match or not! Deal? I'm calling you out. You won't act! Gee, I wonder why? If I'm wrong I'll say so. No bluff here, I'll even CC a Mod of your choice the same fight list for a proof of copy in case you try to lie or weasel out by saying you never received it.
well I really helped clear this debate up I hope mcvey will eventually tell us the answers to the two questions :smoke
I would love to but unfortunately I was only granted the information on the basis of strict confidentiality ,and the heavy duty serious historians whose inner circle I am a part of would disown me should I do so. As a member of the AOWWBH I couldn't risk that.:-(
You would like to know wouldnt you. And thats what this is and has always been about. Youd love to have greater insight into what I do with my money and my collection and and exactly whats in it despite pretending that you know. That aint going to happen. So again, please tell me, what fight did I just post three frames from? You want to play like you know my list and my collection then go ahead and tell us all. I hardly spend anytime on this forum anymore and yet despite that in the past two days Ive watched you get exposed for lying in very public and very obvious fashion three times. What does that say about you?
Originally Posted by Mendoza View Post Old ground, he'll just deny anything I say, despite the fact his name is on the list, phrases he uses here to describe fights here are on the list, and it's a massive collection full of fighters he likes to talk about here. He once hedged a bit saying you may have my " public list ". If he sends me his public list, I will be a gentleman and say if its a match. So PM me now K man. Deal? He also didn't answer my question if he bid on something. Klompton has a way of stonewalling points he doesn't want to touch, often because he doesn't want to admit or talk about them. Dude, Pm me, I'll give you an email address. Send your " public list " you mentioned here and I'll send you what I have that has my name on it. We'll see if there is a match or not! Deal? I'm calling you out. You won't act! Gee, I wonder why? If I'm wrong I'll say so. No bluff here, I'll even CC a Mod of your choice the same fight list for a proof of copy in case you try to lie or weasel out by saying you never received it. Here's a chance for me to prove something, and you back out. I know I have your list. It bothers you. In fact, I'll chance the terms. I email it to an agreeable 3rd party. If this list has your name on it with tons of detail as I say, I win and you leave the forum forever. If it doesn't say what I claim it does, I'll leave the forum forever. We'll see who's lying!:deal And since you claim you hardly spend andy time here anyway, the terms favor you. Now are we on Steve, or are you going to continue squirm with BS and misinformation? Unlike Mcvey who backed out of a bet on whether Fitzsimons vs. Ruhlin was filmed ( It was, he lost, and ran dis-honourably! ) , you might have more character. The question is do you have the guts? I say NO. I find it funny that McVey proves nothing. He can't say what another person has r has not seen. The guy can't even remember what he has seen.
@Mendoza Was looking at some old threads on Lamotta recently,you said you saw Lamotta v Fox,Do you think it was genuine?
You named Ted Spoon as having seen the Hague v Langford fight. He hasn't ! I contacted him earlier,like myself he was confusing it with the Langford v Lang fight. So doesn't he know what he is watching either? I'm glad you mentioned the Fitzsimmons v Ruhlin fight,and the bet YOU welched on. The fight was due to be filmed but owing to technical difficulties the attempt was abandoned so NO it was not filmed. It was then proposed to make a re-enactment of the fight, the problem was that Ruhlin had sustained such extensive facial damage he was not in any shape to go before the cameras . After a couple of weeks rest Ruhlin was made up by a theatrical artist ,covered in greasepaint to hide his injuries . The re- enactment was passed off as the real thing and did good business ,until someone spotted that in the film there was no sign of Ruhlin's chief second Jim Corbett. Then the sh*t hit the fan! The real fight had been held in New York and afterwards Corbett returned home to San Francisco, he refused to return for the enactment or to have his name linked with the fake fight. So ticket sales to view it laid an egg.The company that until recently was advertising the re-enactment as the real fight are selling a fake. This can easily be verified by anyone who purchases it because there will be no sign of Jim Corbett in it! This is dealt with extensively in Gilbert Odd's biography of Bob Fitzsimmons . This was sent to me tonight by Adam Pollack ,it proves conclusively that the Ruhlin V Fitzsimmons fight was NOT filmed and that con-man Lubin tried to pass off the re-enactment as the genuine article.. An apology from you would be in keeping but I know it will not be forthcoming. https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...e&q=was fitzsimmons vs. ruhlin filmed&f=false Page 122 gives the relevant information. I quote. "Although the leading vaudeville agent William Morris and major exhibitors such as Oscar Hammerstein booked the Fitzsimmons and Ruhlin Fight Pictures for several weeks in August and September the fight in the Garden was not what the pictures showed . Instead the supposedly authentic film was actually taken by Lubin. The difference with the reproduction however was that the original participants travelled to Philadelphia immediately after the bout to re-enact the 6 rounds contest themselves. The screen presence of the real Fitzsimmons and Ruhlin allowed Lubin's fake to pass off as legitimate." That's you answered,comprehensively exposed, and generally discredited beyond any normal limits of acceptable behaviour ,a liar ,and a bet welcher! :happy
This is interesting because Mendoza told me in a PM that Spoon was the one who showed him Langford-Hague. Id be interested in hearing Spoon's interpretation of this. If Spoon now admits he hasnt seen it then that precludes Mendoza having seen it as well. This all got started years ago when McVey and Mendoza claimed to have seen this fight. I called them out on it stating that the film hasnt survived. McVey, being the bigger man, admitted he was mistaken. Apparently Ted Spoon has as well. Mendoza? Ball is in your court. Oh and be sure to get back to me on that list and what it says about my Armstrong fight...
Why not just send it to someone who already has my list that I trust? Why would I send my list to anyone your lying ass picks? Youve been trying to find out what I own for years. Like Im just going to suddenly email it to some unknown person, GTFO. You get caught in a lie on this forum daily. Im going to send my list to one of your buddies and hope its not some dummy email you created or that one of your buddies isnt just going to send it to you? Uhhh no. You act like I care enough about your little facade to lift a pinky. I dont. Ive already established to my complete satisfaction that you dont have my list in any way shape or form. Ive also already established that you can mail that fake piece of **** to whoever you want and they, upon receiving it, wont have my list either. Even if you had my list in some form, which you dont, what difference does it make to me? Its nothing more than a list. It doesnt suddenly magically unlock all of the footage indexed on it. What is important? The list or the footage? So, whatever you have, enjoy it. Its not worth anything more than toilet paper.
I pm'd Ted and explained the history of this ,which you have accurately described ,he said he, like myself was mistaken confusing it with the Langford v Lang fight,I asked him if he had any objection to my quoting him and he replied ,"no ,you can use this conversation ,"which I have done.:good