Final Thoughts On Crawford - Spence

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  1. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    Let's start with the basics. Terence Crawford was masterful. He was aggressive and comfortable from a distance as well as in the pocket. He was able to do what he does better than almost any active fighter. He throws punches from creative angles and he throws them to great effect.

    There is no quit in Errol Spence. He showed his championship mettle throughout the fight. In almost every round there were moments where Crawford hammered him. He may have gone down or wobbled backward but he always come back throwing hard shots and attempting to take the advantage away from Bud.

    I knew Spence was truly in trouble about a minute into round three. After being knocked down at the end of round two he came out full of fire and determination to start the third round. The Truth powered Crawford into the ropes and was throwing hard shot after hard shot. Crawford weathered the barrage punched his way off the ropes and took all the play away from Spence. Crawford ended up winning the round easily. Spence had shot his biggest bullets and sixty seconds later he was in retreat mode.

    I think it's hard to argue that Spence wasn't weight drained. He was walking to the ring and as soon as I saw him I told my son he looked ragged and had absolutely no life in his eyes. He did not look like a truly healthy athletic specimen.

    Even if Spence was weight drained I don't think it matters. I don't mean that Spence would have been mauled anyway, although I do believe he would have lost. What I mean is that this is a live by the sword, die by the sword situation. Spence has long been too big for the division and like many other fighters he carefully and successfully rehydrated and regained strength. When they win, they're weight bullies and when they lose they're weight drained. This time he took the gamble and lost.

    Spence handled the loss so well. On numerous occasions during post-fight interviews he had the chance to say he was weak and wasn't able to fight at his best. Instead he repeated again and again that he's a man and there are no excuses. I think Spence's fans and Crawford's detractors need to take the same attitude.

    Unless I'm mistaken, the loser gets to decide if there is a rematch and the winner gets to pick the weight. I assume that, despite the beating, Spence will sign for the rematch. I also believe that Crawford will choose to fight at 154. Regardless of the weight being better for Spence, I don't think Bud enjoys making 147 either. I believe Bud will win and it will set up big fights against Tszyu and / or Charlo.
     
  2. jaytxxl

    jaytxxl Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Biggest takeaway is Errol didn’t have a plan B. Simple and plain the whole fight was jab jab body body hook. My wife rarely ever pay attention to boxing said verbatim “Can he do anything else”. For someone who doesn’t watch boxing to figure that out says a lot. Maybe in the rematch he will be better prepared but in this fight it’s beyond clear that Derrick James and Spence did not expect to see that style from Crawford. I knew it was over when he tried to bulldoze Bud in rd 2 and Bud stopped him in his tracks and pushed him back easily. I immediately thought Bud is the stronger fighter it’s over.
     
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  3. SpeedKills

    SpeedKills Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I want to rewatch it but it’s nowhere to be found. Main takeaway is Crawford neutralized Spence everywhere. Outside, inside, midrange and whatever else.
     
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  4. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Bud reeled in the big fish Spence like a 3 meter Flatty off the pier
     
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  5. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    Spence concentrated to much on who the big dog aside was so mich so
    He left it that long he couldn't make the weight
    He claimed he was the aside of
    Wrecked himself
    Hurt himself
    Then ****ed him self at ww
    You think he
    Would of gone to 154 or 160 for brook after brook fought the 160 king
    Eroll I'm an american needing double standards
    Crawford should tell him to earn it
    It wasn't close
    It was a one sided beat down
     
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  6. The Cryptkeeper

    The Cryptkeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Spence was brave but ultimately outclassed by a guy who might be legendary.

    All of the post fight excuses I am seeing for Spence are bull****. They are also incredibly disrespectful of the performance put on by Crawford.
     
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  7. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    daddy al wants the money honey tzyu better up that profile.
     
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  8. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    sky is the limit for a guy who never sold out. Stayed the same from day 1. Pure class all gas and he dont live fast.
     
  9. The Cryptkeeper

    The Cryptkeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah, full respect. The guy is top quality.
     
  10. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    He made bud look like the king of wakanda
     
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  11. The Cryptkeeper

    The Cryptkeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    To be fair it is pretty hard to up your profile when the guy with the belts has been making a mockery of the division.

    Tszyu is taking fights that he shouldn't have to take in order to stay active and make sure he remains the number one contender. Rarely has a mandatory challenger had to jump through the hoops Tszyu has to get an opportunity. And every time he beats somebody, ignorant people downplay the win. Harrsion was allegedly cooked. Ocampo a chump, etc. He can only do what he is doing. Now he'll fight and KO Mendoza and even then he has no idea whether the WBO will do what they should do and strip Charlo of the belt. If you take Charlo out of the equation (and even if you include him) Tszyu is the best current fighter on the planet who is proven at 154. It's no easy assignment for Bud. Tszyu hits hard and he comes forward. He's bigger and stronger than Bud. He's not a better boxer but he does have a truckload of ringcraft and throws big.
     
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  12. Brighton bomber

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    Yeah Spence has been a classy loser, no excuses unlike his fans who seem determined to sully the win by creating excuse after excuse. So he's earned some respect for the way he's taken it. Hasn't done what Wilder did and grabbed onto every conspiracy his fans created or had a mental breakdown like Joshua after the 2nd Usyk loss.

    Maybe he was drained at the weight and maybe had they fought sooner he wouldn't have been as drained, but then he would of been facing a younger, perhaps better Crawford as they delayed this fight to try and age Bud out. So I really have no sympathy for him being weight drained because he backed himself into that corner by refusing to make the fight years ago when it should have happened.

    It's pretty clear that Crawford was always levels above Spence, he dominated every second of that fight, there was never a moment you thought Crawford wasn't in control after the first round.

    Spence can only fight one way, which is why there were threads saying he was one dimensional before this fight. I've long been a critic of his footwork, he's never been good on the back foot as the Brook fight showed but his fans just said he just hadn't showed that yet because he didn't need to, well he needed it in this fight and it wasn't there. All he could was just try and plow forward into more hard counters, which led to him being stopped.

    Crawford if it wasn't abundantly clear before is a special fighter, undeniably the best American fighter of his generation. It's a shame much like Hopkins before he beat Ttio, he's not been given the credit he's due for a fighter of his ability and stature. Maybe now the American boxing fans will get behind him and he can make some good money in the final years of his career. You wonder how long he has left at the top, he's already 35 and as good as he is and as professional as he is, it's unlikely he'll still be elite P4P material when in his 40's like BHop. So enjoy it while you can, because he'll probably be retired in a few years.
     
  13. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    Daddy al in control of charlo. Hes not passing up on his big paydays. Tzyu might interfere with his plans of cashing out charlo.
     
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  14. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    everytime it gets more brutal. ive seen it 6 times now.
     
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  15. drenlou

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    Yea Crawford did his thing.