Final Thoughts on Sam Peter's Performance

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  1. KobeIsGod

    KobeIsGod Who Necks?!? Full Member

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    Positives:
    *He has definetely improved technically, no doubt about it. I like his jab a lot when he throws it. His right hand is much tighter and sharper.

    *He has become a more patient boxer. Doesn't rush in and takes his time looking for an opportunity instead of just trying to create one.

    *Showed good killer instinct when he had his man hurt. Let his hands go and forced a ref stoppage.

    Negatives:
    *After watching all of his fights since Wlad, i am convinced he is physically damaged goods. Yes he has become more patient but seems tentative at many points in fights. He gets staggered by lesser shots than Wlad hit him with yet shook his head at those.

    *Lacks conditioning. As a direct result, he has become very slow on his feet. Flat-footed.

    *Hittable. He still stands still in the pocket way too much. No side-to-side "tysoneque" movement. Attacks in a straight line. Maskaev could land anything.

    So comparing the Sam Peter who fought Wlad and yesterday's version, id say he is a much better technical boxer but his inferior conditioning and more conservative approach make him a far easier opponent for wlad the second time around.

    As for Maskaev, it's time to call it a career. He looked like he was in the early stages of parkinson's disease. slow reflexes and very little resistance. very disappointed in his efforts. I must say Peter fought a smart fight and has become a legit opponent to Wlad, mainly because he has a belt.
     
  2. barneyrub

    barneyrub Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He is The CHAMPION, if any Klitschko fans want to argue then i suppose they must be taking back how they all said Vitali was THE champ before he retired!
    Peter`s title comes from Maskaev, Rahman, Vitali and Lewis himself.
    Wlads title lineage leads to.....Byrd! Did anyone consider Byrd the champ?
     
  3. amhlilhaus

    amhlilhaus Well-Known Member Full Member

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    sam peter is just like all the other top heavyweights, he has good points and bad points, and there's no undeniable 'can't lose' guy in the bunch. makes things exciting because the fights boil down to who covers up their weaknesses enough to beat the other guy?
     
  4. KobeIsGod

    KobeIsGod Who Necks?!? Full Member

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    no one is beatable but wlad should be at least a 4-1 favorite against any man he steps in the rings with. And Klitschko's strengths far outweigh his negatives unlike most of the other hws.

    dont u think oleg looked terrible though? peter won but i still see no defense. His chin is solid no doubt about it but it's not granite like everyone thought after wlad. I really think the punishment he has taken and his poor training are taking their toll. Let's face it, he blocks punches with his face.
     
  5. brooklyn1550

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    Good post

    Peter has shown technical improvements, but his conditioning is a major concern. If he lost 10 pounds, he would improve, but I'm not sure he has the motivation or dedication to do so.
     
  6. KobeIsGod

    KobeIsGod Who Necks?!? Full Member

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    what do u think about his physical health? something seems wrong there. he just doesn't seem as strong like he was against wlad. i don't know if it's reflexes, balance, etc...something seems off to me....a little too passive at times :think
     
  7. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    You know what...I've thought the exact same thing but I haven't figured it out. He just doesn't look the same, from a physical standpoint, compared to when he fought Wlad, Sykes, and Williams. He doesn't look as strong.
     
  8. bachatu

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    Regardless if Wladimir would win, a fight against Peter is more exciting than other opponents heavyweights out there. Although Wladimir holds many advantages, Peter still holds the Puncher's chance against him. We still don't know how Wlad would react if Peter connects with one or more of his bombs. With guys weighing 240-250, all it takes is one punch.
     
  9. bachatu

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    I think it has to do with his intentions behind his punches. Before, he was only and always looking for the home run. Now, he is concentrating more on making contact and getting at least a 'base hit'. From his losses, he has learned that swinging for the fences won't always work, so he seems to concentrate more on actually making contact and connecting. He started doing that after the first Toney fight. Taking some off his punches to be able to connect with the slicker Toney. And maybe who knows, after so much training in boxing technique and not enough practice in hitting homeruns, he's lost some power in that department after all.
     
  10. KobeIsGod

    KobeIsGod Who Necks?!? Full Member

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    yes. there is some validity here. but i think his new style would hurt him against wlad. showing more patience and boxing vs. wlad is not a good idea. he had his best moments when he charged in recklessly. moreover, i question if he has enough stamina to fight that type of fight again. Remember, he was in peak shape vs. wlad at 243. Coming in at 250+ against Wlad, who moves all the time would be a death sentence imo.
     
  11. brooklyn1550

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    To beat Wladimir, he would need to make big adjustments in his approach. 1) he could not fight a tactical fight which means he would need to get his hands up, bend his knees, and get inside. 2) he would need to cut weight and get BELOW 240 pounds and 3) he would have to throw a lot of punches especially to the body.

    All in all, I don't see him adjusting that much. Wladimir would stop him in about 7 or 8 rounds.
     
  12. FibreOptic

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    And Byrd got his title by fighting for it after Lewis vacated it because he refused to fight Byrd.
     
  13. DamonD

    DamonD Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would point out that Maskaev's accuracy was only 33%, that's a pretty good defensive stat for Peter. You could see him using the weave & roll defense and making Maskaev miss with clusters of shots at times.

    Other times, perhaps in his desire to land his own stuff, Peter was getting caught yes.

    But overall that was actually one of his better defensive fights.
     
  14. KobeIsGod

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    i still maintain he stands exposed in the punch zone too much. i think he is far more vulnerable to punches now than he was against wlad. btw, maskaev fought like he was in the early stages of Parkinson's :-(
     
  15. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    Well you have to keep in mind what Maskaev's bread and butter is - His counter punching.

    He isn't a spring chicken, no. But Peter simply didn't play into Maskaev's strengths. The tentative approach had everything to do with McCline's lotto punch as much as it did with Maskaev's usual technique.

    Sam isn't physically weaker and that should be apparent as to how he was moving Maskaev on his punches. He still punches very hard.

    Against Waldo they will not fight the same way. Waldo isn't a counterpuncher. He likes to lead. So it's important to put him on the back foot. They have to be aggressive behind the jab and attack his body often. Which if you watched Sam last night you saw this in practice.

    The second fight will be totally different. No doubt about that. Sam won't be jumping at him throwing nothing but left hooks and right hands. He'll establish a strong jab all while making Waldo miss as much as possible. And he'll hit Waldo's body often with hard right hands and left hooks. And with a good referee, he will not be tied up everytime the fight gets in close quarters.

    That is if Waldo gets by Povetkin in the first place. A big if.